BPS reels Junk? Or the Revo?

[Incheon Basser]

here is the link to the Korean language version... for those who can't speak Korean... it has many more reels than the english version and the all look familiar to me

http://www.banax.co.kr/pro/pro0101.asp?ct=1&cm=2

[cart7t]

Even the Korean site has product that looks like some BPS KVD sig/Low end Quantum stuff.

Nothing even remotely resembling a pure fishing reel like a Revo or Patriarch/President/Summit. 

[Micro]

Actually, Silstar (aka Pinnacle) produces OEM reels for Pure Fishing and BPS (though some BPS reels are clearly Quantums). Whether they are associated with Banax is unknown to me. What is well known is the Silstar/Pure Fishing tie. Tackle Tour, who has the best contacts, reported that some time ago.

One only need to compare features to see that the Sistar connection is indisputable. Silstar created the logo latch for the sideplate on BPS reels. Their spools and frames are identical. The frames are nearly identical. Magnetic brake dials are identical. More recent evidence is that as soon as Silstar introduced their new magnetic brake last year, the exact same brake showed up on new Abu and Pflueger reels. Silstar's slogan: Fishing for life. Abu's slogan: Abu Garcia for life. Silstar's USA office is even in Columbia, SC, just like Pure Fishing's.

http://silstar.co.kr/index.php

[MarauderYak]

That Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.

I have a friend who works at the Incheon Banax Factory and he says they make pure fishing reels.... i might have to ask him to take me on a tour... But banax is the largest and best renowned reel company in Korea.... their own line is all manufactured in the plant in China... the only stuff they produce in incheon is OEM's for other companies. Maybe the two companies are related or my friend is blowing smoke up my arse.. but he said he could get me an employee discount on any pure fishing reel I wanted... but i don't like pure fishing.. but I am buying all of the Banax Bait-caster line just for the collection

I'm actually not 100% sure right now if Banax still makes some reels for Pure; they may very well.  I  just know they don't make any of the Revo line, or any upper end Pflueger reels.

And now that you mention it...  I'm almost positive that the engineers at the company that DOES make the reels in question split off from Banax some time ago.  I know they split off from one of the big factories.

[MarauderYak]

Actually, Silstar (aka Pinnacle) produces OEM reels for Pure Fishing and BPS (though some BPS reels are clearly Quantums). Whether they are associated with Banax is unknown to me. What is well known is the Silstar/Pure Fishing tie. Tackle Tour, who has the best contacts, reported that some time ago.

One only need to compare features to see that the Sistar connection is indisputable. Silstar created the logo latch for the sideplate on BPS reels. Their spools and frames are identical. The frames are nearly identical. Magnetic brake dials are identical. More recent evidence is that as soon as Silstar introduced their new magnetic brake last year, the exact same brake showed up on new Abu and Pflueger reels. Silstar's slogan: Fishing for life. Abu's slogan: Abu Garcia for life. Silstar's USA office is even in Columbia, SC, just like Pure Fishing's.

http://silstar.co.kr/index.php

That Silstar info was true a long, long time ago, but not any more.  Shakespeare actually filed suit against Silstar like 15 years ago when they broke ties.

[Goose52]

.....Silstar created the logo latch for the sideplate on BPS reels. ..........

Well, a lot of BPS reels certainly do have palm-side covers that look a lot like this Silstar model...

[SWMIBASSER]

.....Silstar created the logo latch for the sideplate on BPS reels. ..........

Well, a lot of BPS reels certainly do have palm-side covers that look a lot like this Silstar model...

One could also say that the handle looks similar to Daiwa handles, the star drag looks like a Curado star...

Otherwise that reel doesn't have much in common with anything else I've seen.

In any event the point of this thread was that if you buy a BPS Extreme or Clunn reel you WILL be able to buy internal parts for it, later on down the road. Possibly years down the road.

[Goose52]

In any event the point of this thread was that if you buy a BPS Extreme or Clunn reel you WILL be able to buy internal parts for it, later on down the road. Possibly years down the road.

That's what I'm hoping for too ... since I have 1 Rick Clunn, 3 Pro-Qualifiers, and 1 ProLite now - and have another PQ, and at least one Carbonlite, on the shopping list (and I should have gotten one more ProLite before they were gone too!!)

[Micro]

That Silstar info was true a long, long time ago, but not any more. Shakespeare actually filed suit against Silstar like 15 years ago when they broke ties.

What's Shakespeare got to do with this?  Shakespeare was under different ownership back then.   Shakespeare has since been purchased by Jarden Corp and falls under Jarden's Pure Fishing umbrella just like Pfluegfer, Abu Garcia and Penn, among others. 

Sorry, the evidence is too great for me to believe Silstar/Pinnacle is not the OEM manufacturer of BPS reels and Pure Fishing companies.   As of 2007, Tackle Tour reported that Pinnacle was the OEM producer for reels for the largest fishing tackle e-tailer.  That would be BPS, no?

[J Francho]

That Silstar info was true a long, long time ago, but not any more. Shakespeare actually filed suit against Silstar like 15 years ago when they broke ties.

What's Shakespeare got to do with this? Shakespeare was under different ownership back then. Shakespeare has since been purchased by Jarden Corp and falls under Jarden's Pure Fishing umbrella just like Pfluegfer, Abu Garcia and Penn, among others.

Sorry, the evidence is too great for me to believe Silstar/Pinnacle is not the OEM manufacturer of BPS reels and Pure Fishing companies. As of 2007, Tackle Tour reported that Pinnacle was the OEM producer for reels for the largest fishing tackle e-tailer. That would be BPS, no?

If you've ever actually had a Pinnacle branded reel apart, next to a BPS and Pure Fishing product, you'd see the truth in this. They all have the same guts

[Pantera61]

Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.

[J Francho]

Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.

This wasn't the case before?

[Pantera61]

Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.

You can't think of this in American market terms completely.  It's a global company with a significant Japanese, European and Australian market.  We only see a portion of what's available through Pure Fishing.  Take a gander at their website and see what's available in other parts of the world.  It's an eye opener.

[Pantera61]

Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.

This wasn't the case before?

Pflueger and Abu were in direct competition before.  With both companies under the same corporate umbrella, there is a change in strategy.  Stop and think about Pure Fishing's withdrawal from FLW sponsorship.

[SWMIBASSER]

Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.

You can't think of this in American market terms completely. It's a global company with a significant Japanese, European and Australian market. We only see a portion of what's available through Pure Fishing. Take a gander at their website and see what's available in other parts of the world. It's an eye opener.

I know Australia has some cool stuff.

Pflueger Supreme XTS spinning reel, and Abu Revo Premier Elite.

[J Francho]

I hear you...

Stop and think about Pure Fishing's withdrawal from FLW sponsorship.

I try not to think too much about Pure Fishing's marketing strategy, LOL.  I just don't care enough.  As long as I can still get my black Power Worms. 

[Pantera61]

Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.

You can't think of this in American market terms completely. It's a global company with a significant Japanese, European and Australian market. We only see a portion of what's available through Pure Fishing. Take a gander at their website and see what's available in other parts of the world. It's an eye opener.

I know Australia has some cool stuff.

Pflueger Supreme XTS spinning reel, and Abu Revo Premier Elite.

I own 3 of the Premier Elites.  Umm, they rock!

[cart7t]

Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.

This wasn't the case before?

Pflueger and Abu were in direct competition before. With both companies under the same corporate umbrella, there is a change in strategy. Stop and think about Pure Fishing's withdrawal from FLW sponsorship.

That's not jiving with what they've done with Pflueger adding the Patriarch XT, a refined Patriarch.

If you looked currently at both Garcia and Pflueger's lines, Garcia has the very low end with the Black and Silver Max, then Pflueger picks up above those price points then the Revo's enter the picture at the $120 mark up to $170 for the STX, then the Patriarch and XT at $200 and $250 with the Premier taking top spot. 

While they seem to have most price points covered, there is a lot of jumping around between brands as you crossover different price points moving up the $$ scale. 

[Pantera61]

Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.

This wasn't the case before?

Pflueger and Abu were in direct competition before. With both companies under the same corporate umbrella, there is a change in strategy. Stop and think about Pure Fishing's withdrawal from FLW sponsorship.

That's not jiving with what they've done with Pflueger adding the Patriarch XT, a refined Patriarch.

If you looked currently at both Garcia and Pflueger's lines, Garcia has the very low end with the Black and Silver Max, then Pflueger picks up above those price points then the Revo's enter the picture at the $120 mark up to $170 for the STX, then the Patriarch and XT at $200 and $250 with the Premier taking top spot.

While they seem to have most price points covered, there is a lot of jumping around between brands as you crossover different price points moving up the $$ scale.

Above the Patriarch is the Premier, Skeet Reese, Elite, Aurora and Akatsuki.  The last two at the near $500.00 mark.  Look beyond America!