BPS reels Junk? Or the Revo?

[SWMIBASSER]

I know everyone knows that the BPS reels are Pflueger or Pure fishing built....

But if you pull apart a BPS Extreme, and a Abu Revo they are the same d**n reel. Most parts interchange it looks like.

I know for sure that the handles, drag stars, gears, and drag components interchange.

So while most here think Shimano is the greatest thing since the invention of a woman, I think most wouldn't consider a Revo 'junk'.

The only thing an Extreme lacks is real quality bearings (which most production reels lack) and some aluminum components (drag star)

The are a very upgradeable reel.

The gear swap thing may be a way for 6.4.1 geared Abu guys to get a set of cheap 7.1 gears.

And the BPS guys can use the info to upgrade the drag washers, and handles.

What I really want is a set of Duralumin gears in 7.1 that will fit in the Revo. The Johnny Morris Signature series has them, but it has the screw on handle. Which changes the drive shaft. I'm not sure if it changes the actual gears or not.

The Revo when broken down is actually pretty light. That main gear and drag stack adds a bunch of weight to the reel.

Their is a Revo Aurora JDM reel that has 7.1 duralumin gears but they are in LH configuration.

[cart7t]

The BPS Johnny Morris reels ARE NOT the same as the Pure fishing reels like a Revo or a Pflueger Patriarch.

The main gears will not interchange, they are physically way larger in the Morris reel compared to a Revo or Patriarch. I haven't had some of the newer Extremes apart to actually compare the main drive gear sizes but I don't think I'd go so far as to call an Extreme the same as the series 10 body that the Revo's and Patriarchs are built on.

A new BPS Pro Qualifier is built on the frame and the inner components would interchange with a Revo but I doubt an Extreme would.

You could get a duraluminum gear from a Pflueger Patriarch or a Summit and put it into a Revo with no problem. I've done it.

[SWMIBASSER]

The BPS Johnny Morris reels ARE NOT the same as the Pure fishing reels like a Revo or a Pflueger Patriarch.

The main gears will not interchange, they are physically way larger in the Morris reel compared to a Revo or Patriarch. I haven't had some of the newer Extremes apart to actually compare the main drive gear sizes but I don't think I'd go so far as to call an Extreme the same as the series 10 body that the Revo's and Patriarchs are built on.

A new BPS Pro Qualifier is built on the frame and the inner components would interchange with a Revo but I doubt an Extreme would.

You could get a duraluminum gear from a Pflueger Patriarch or a Summit and put it into a Revo with no problem. I've done it.

It look like ALL parts interchange with the revo. All the levelwind components, the main gear, drag components, pinion gear and pinion holder, all the thumb bar components, etc, etc.

What is made of Duralumin on the Patriarch? Just the main gear? main and pinion? Driveshaft?

What parts did you swap in? Are they much lighter (the main brass gear seems VERY heavy to me)

[Micro]

Cart, you should post your pics of your rebuild. 

[cart7t]

I don't have the pictures anymore but I swapped the crank side guts from a Revo S onto a Patriarch and vice versa.

The reels both worked perfectly though ergonomically the star drag sat funny on both reels due to the difference in the handle attachment methods.

The Morris reels are not the same as a Revo or a Patriarch/Summit. There is some minor mechanical difference in the pinion lifting assembly and the main drive gear is way too big to fit either a Revo or a Pflueger. The main shaft diameters are the same between the reels though.

The Patriarch/Summit has a duraluminum main gear. The pinion is brass. There is little difference between either a Patriarch or a Revo when it comes to the crankside of the reel. The drag stack is the same though the material in the Revo's seems slightly different. Main shaft diameter is identical between the two. While the outside of the frames has some slight differences between the 2 brands, the mechanics inside line up perfectly with one another.

[Sam]

REVO. Hands down. REVO. 

[SWMIBASSER]

REVO. Hands down. REVO.

Oh yeah. I was just bored... But still good info for BPS reel owners. And maybe the Abu guys can use the info to get cheaper gear swaps.....The extreme has a 5.4.1, 6.3.1, and 7.1.1 gear set that would swap right into a revo.

[GRiver]

Are you saying Pflueger and Pure fishing makes the reels for Bass Pro Shops..I didn't know that.   

[Boogey Man]

Are you saying Pflueger and Pure fishing makes the reels for Bass Pro Shops..I didn't know that.

I don't think Plueger, Bass Pro, or Abu Garcia actually manufacture reels. It's one of the great mysteries, where is this factory in Korea pumping out all these reels? 

[cart7t]

Are you saying Pflueger and Pure fishing makes the reels for Bass Pro Shops..I didn't know that.

They are likely made in the same plant/plants. 

[MarauderYak]

The same factory that makes the BPS Extreme reels also makes the Revos, several Pflueger reels, and reels for other companies as well.  You will find some parts interchange and others will not.  Abu, BPS, etc own the tooling for their own frames, but since all these companies are working with the same engineers, the reels tend to end up with a lot of similarities.

Most every company out there uses factories that they don't own.  Even the almighty Shimano uses an outside factory to make their higher end rods.

[The Rooster]

I disagree that BPS reels are disposable.  You're kidding, right??  None of mine fall in that category.

[SWMIBASSER]

I disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.

It was a Joke.

To some=Women, Shimano, everything else.

[Primus]

My wife or Shimano reels, that's a tough question 

[steezy]

My wife or Shimano reels, that's a tough question

Easy, just get a Steez, you will enjoy it more and it will never cost you anymore than the original purchase price.  8-)

[Grey Wolf]

I disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.

You're asking "The Sheriff of The Shimano Posse " if he's serious.

[K_Mac]

I disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.

You're asking "The Sheriff of The Shimano Posse " if he's serious.

Rooster, RW is not kidding. He has made that comment a number of times. He has the right to be wrong just like the rest of us.

The fact that BPS buys from an outside source and has their Logo applied seems to be a point of contention. It makes no sense to me, as I have said several times. : Whether you buy BPS stuff or not makes no difference to me. I don't make a nickle one way or the other. I do think it is a LEGITIMATE option. 8-)

[Sherlock 60]

I once met Pete Maina at a seminar and asked him who built his BPS muskie reels. His reply was that he had no idea and that all reels are made by "some factory in China." This was about 4-5 years ago, so you can add Korean factories to the mix these days.

[MarauderYak]

I disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.

You're asking "The Sheriff of The Shimano Posse " if he's serious.

Rooster, RW is not kidding. He has made that comment a number of times. He has the right to be wrong just like the rest of us.

The fact that BPS buys from an outside source and has their Logo applied seems to be a point of contention. It makes no sense to me, as I have said several times. : Whether you buy BPS stuff or not makes no difference to me. I don't make a nickle one way or the other. I do think it is a LEGITIMATE option. 8-)

The only time BPS "slaps" their logo on a reel is when you see the reel co-branded.  For example, the KVD signature reel is made for BPS by Quantum & is an exclusive.  Pretty much all retailers work with exclusive items that they can promote.

But for reels like the Pro Qualifier, Extreme, etc, BPS does the same thing many companies do with fishing gear.  They find a manufacturing facility, work with engineers to design platforms, decide on the specs they want, work with field testers & pros, work out the cosmetics, then have it produced.  It's the same process that Abu Garcia, St Croix, Shimano, Quantum, etc. use to have their products made.  Even if the company owns the factory it's the same process.  The only difference is that they control the production schedule.

No one ever says Shimano slaps their logo on a Cumara just because Shimano doesn't own the factory where they are made.

[Tin]

My wife or Shimano reels, that's a tough question

Easy, just get a Steez, you will enjoy it more and it will never cost you anymore than the original purchase price. 8-)

LOL   :

BPS reels are disposable after two seasons of tough use in my book. They will never be in the same category as Abu, Daiwa, and Shimmy.

[K_Mac]

The "disposable reels" that I have continue to work nicely after a couple of years of use and abuse. Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe they are better quality than some give credit.

I believe they are better quality, and that for the money they offer good value. My opinion is not theoretical. I own and use Extreme and Pro Qualifier reels regularly.

[SWMIBASSER]

There is no reason why it would be a throw away. Any component that could be a wear or problem part will be available years later. Just buy for the Revo.

It has bearing supported comonents, and a metal frame. And all the parts should be available for some time.

[GRiver]

Doesn't BPS have a parts dept all so?   Why throw away when you can rebuild

[GRiver]

Got it.. thanks RW

[roadwarrior]

Doesn't BPS have a parts dept all so? Why throw away when you can rebuild

It's cheaper to replace than repair.

:-X