Any enthusiasts here??

[Dan:]

I'll choose the "lifetime no hassle replacement policy" over the "defective product replacement" anytime, even if it means paying a little more.

I bet most "enthusiasts" would do the same.

Actually, most "enthusiasts" have already chosen to forego the warranty.

If someone ("enthusiasts") is buying high end gear at a premium price that is mass produced to actually fish with and that can be replaced via a warranty, then IMHO they do care about a warranty.

If they are just buying to collect unique gear then they couldn't care less about a warranty.

but pantera is saying that the enthusiasts that buy Japanese Domestic Market items have shown that they don't necessarily care about warranties as shown by the fact that they spent hundreds of dollars on products that have no warranties.

I think JDM buyers are confident in their own ability to take care of their gear.

[Pantera61]

I'll choose the "lifetime no hassle replacement policy" over the "defective product replacement" anytime, even if it means paying a little more.

I bet most "enthusiasts" would do the same.

Actually, most "enthusiasts" have already chosen to forego the warranty.

If someone ("enthusiasts") is buying high end gear at a premium price that is mass produced to actually fish with and that can be replaced via a warranty, then IMHO they do care about a warranty.

If they are just buying to collect unique gear then they couldn't care less about a warranty.

but pantera is saying that the enthusiasts that buy Japanese Domestic Market items have shown that they don't necessarily care about warranties as shown by the fact that they spent hundreds of dollars on products that have no warranties.

I think JDM buyers are confident in their own ability to take care of their gear.

I can only speak for me directly and for others by supposition.  I have been using Megabass rods since 2002.  Some were used, purchased on ebay or Japan Tackle, others were new, purchased through a variety of sources.  None were covered by warranty.

When Megabass opened it's official distributorship in 2004 or 2005, it provided a 1 year warranty against defects in material or workmanship.  It gave comfort to some and they bought.

But with Evergreen, Daiko, MajorCraft, UFM, Valley Hill, it's still up to the individual.

[Raul]

but pantera is saying that the enthusiasts that buy Japanese Domestic Market items have shown that they don't necessarily care about warranties as shown by the fact that they spent hundreds of dollars on products that have no warranties.

I think JDM buyers are confident in their own ability to take care of their gear.

True.

In many cases JDM is not THAT different, let 's say the Alphas series of reels ( except Alphas 150 ), parts are interchangeable with the domestic Sol parts, Metanium XT parts are interchangeable with Chronarch parts and so on. Of course, screw up the sideplate of a Scorpion or Scorpion Mg and you are in trouble.

I don 't know about others, I know about myself, so far all my reels DM or JDM are treated/used equally, I don 't "baby sit" my gear, I take really good care of it to the point where my reels old and new are like new because I like to keep them that way.

[Grey Wolf]

There is only one thing stopping me from being an enthusiast............................ MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[steezy]

Im not an "enthusiast", I just enjoy Bass fishing.  

[J Francho]

I am making the same point as you, he posted anybody spending over 200, that covers way too much ground.The post didn't say bassfishermen just anybody over 200

Muddy, I love you man, but get serious -- the is BassResource.com, not Bass-Striper-Tuna-SteelheadResource.com, LOL.

[J Francho]

Why would you suppose Steeyzy , or anyone else would be abusing a warranty? I have been fishing for over 40 years, and have brought one rod ONE ROD, back in all that time, for SOMETTHING THAT WAS MY FAULT, and told the salesperson as much. He decided ( the Service manager did ) to rep[lace the rod, how is that an abuse, and how does that effect your world.

Very presumptive on your part, if you can't afford something then don't buy it.

I can guarantee that none of your rods have an Expediter service, like G. Loomis.  I can also guarantee that part of the MSRP includes a bit of padding equal to an insurance policy for any type of breakage.  I mean, are we to believe that G. Loomis is not losing money replacing $300+ rods for $50, or are we to assume that the rods only cost them $50 to make, and they covering their expenses?  I can guarantee that it isn't the latter.

It isn't about what you or steezy do with broken rods, its the simple fact that some of the rod's MSRP includes some padding to cover the expense of all broken returns.  Just like it does when there is a limited warranty; defective replacement is part of the bottom line.  Add in stupidity/accidental breakage replacement, and that bottom line is higher.

[Muddy]

I am making the same point as you, he posted anybody spending over 200, that covers way too much ground.The post didn't say bassfishermen just anybody over 200

Muddy, I love you man, but get serious -- the is BassResource.com, not Bass-Striper-Tuna-SteelheadResource.com, LOL.

I am staying off this tread, as I am far from an enthusiast and also about above remark:

I made this same observation 2 weeks ago, and was shot down, guess it is valid when others make it, :-?

[Bassn Blvd]

The warranty G-Loomis provides isn't the only reason why I buy their product.

From what I read, and that may have changed or I could be wrong, Megabass, Evergreen, etc do not offer ANY warranty.  I don't expect them to provide the same warranty as G-Loomis but at least cover defects and workmanship.

If I order Evergreen and it arrives with a broken guide or splintered blank, will it be covered under a manufacturers warranty for full replacement at no charge to me?  Will the rod be covered if I discover the defect a month or two later?  If not, then screw'em. I'm not buying a product who's company doesn't back their product.   If they will cover it then I will buy one or two.

I don't make enough money to afford $1000 dollar rods with no warranty against defects.  If I made half a mill a year then I would gamble and buy one.

[Pantera61]

The warranty G-Loomis provides isn't the only reason why I buy their product.

From what I read, and that may have changed or I could be wrong, Megabass, Evergreen, etc do not offer ANY warranty. I don't expect them to provide the same warranty as G-Loomis but at least cover defects and workmanship.

If I order Evergreen and it arrives with a broken guide or splintered blank, will it be covered under a manufacturers warranty for full replacement at no charge to me? Will the rod be covered if I discover the defect a month or two later? If not, then screw'em. I'm not buying a product who's company doesn't back their product. If they will cover it then I will buy one or two.

I don't make enough money to afford $1000 dollar rods with no warranty against defects. If I made half a mill a year then I would gamble and buy one.

1.  Yes, you are wrong in the case of Megabass.  Since Megabass started official distribution in the U.S., there is a workmanship/materials warranty for 1 year.  

2.  Jackall has a warranty for workmanship/materials for 1 year.

3.  Evergreen currently has no warranty inside the U.S. because all EG rods are considered to be bootlegs or unofficial products.

Don't thank Loomis or St. Croix for the warranty.  Thank your buddies who purchase those rods.  You and they are picking up the tab, not the manufacturers.

[rubba bubba]

Don't thank Loomis or St. Croix for the warranty. Thank your buddies who purchase those rods. You and they are picking up the tab, not the manufacturers.

It's what the majority wants, so like any good business they offer it.  Of course it isn't free, that's not good business.

[steezy]

Wow Pantera61, what have you got against a company charging for a warranty?  Every company in business charges for their warranty.  Anytime you buy anything from a car to a dishwasher it has the cost of the warranty builtin.  Im not rich but can pretty much buy anything I want and most everything I buy has at least a standard warranty.  I dont buy those extended warranties but consider the cost of the standard warranty to be a reasonable cost of doing business.

These no way I would pay the price for my expensive rods if a warranty was not part of the package.

[fourbizz]

I am enthusiastic about high quality gear that enables me to catch large fish.

None of the JDM stuff is necessary for that.

[steezy]

I am enthusiastic about high quality gear that enables me to catch large fish.

None of the JDM stuff is necessary for that.

x100 on that comment!

[Redlinerobert]

I like tackle.  Period.  The last couple years I've been more into the JDM stuff.  Not because it makes me a better fisherman, but solely because I think these items are cool.  Megabass, Evergreen, and the JDM Steez line are top of my list.

You can buy a few rods to use for specific purposes.  I buy rods now more so to use, but also to collect.  Same with the JDM reels I buy and modify, and don't get me started on the lures. ;D

[The_Natural]

The warranty G-Loomis provides isn't the only reason why I buy their product.

From what I read, and that may have changed or I could be wrong, Megabass, Evergreen, etc do not offer ANY warranty. I don't expect them to provide the same warranty as G-Loomis but at least cover defects and workmanship.

If I order Evergreen and it arrives with a broken guide or splintered blank, will it be covered under a manufacturers warranty for full replacement at no charge to me? Will the rod be covered if I discover the defect a month or two later? If not, then screw'em. I'm not buying a product who's company doesn't back their product. If they will cover it then I will buy one or two.

I don't make enough money to afford $1000 dollar rods with no warranty against defects. If I made half a mill a year then I would gamble and buy one.

1. Yes, you are wrong in the case of Megabass. Since Megabass started official distribution in the U.S., there is a workmanship/materials warranty for 1 year.

2. Jackall has a warranty for workmanship/materials for 1 year.

3. Evergreen currently has no warranty inside the U.S. because all EG rods are considered to be bootlegs or unofficial products.

Don't thank Loomis or St. Croix for the warranty. Thank your buddies who purchase those rods. You and they are picking up the tab, not the manufacturers.

This is incorrect. Tom Ashby, who owns Gloomis.us, is not only a certified Evergreen dealer....but he is the largest evergreen dealer on the net. He is also the largest Megabass dealer on the net....right here in Indiana.

http://www.gloomis.us/EVERGREEN-INTERNATIONAL-140247.aspx

[Bronzefly]

I like high end gear because it makes me happy to use it.  I prefer rods with a warranty, but I know the risk if I purchase one without a warranty - and its one I'm willing to assume in certain cases.  I take excellent care of my gear as well and rarely have any trouble with it.  So yes, there are guys here who like high end gear, and also fish ALOT 8-)  

[Pantera61]

The warranty G-Loomis provides isn't the only reason why I buy their product.

From what I read, and that may have changed or I could be wrong, Megabass, Evergreen, etc do not offer ANY warranty. I don't expect them to provide the same warranty as G-Loomis but at least cover defects and workmanship.

If I order Evergreen and it arrives with a broken guide or splintered blank, will it be covered under a manufacturers warranty for full replacement at no charge to me? Will the rod be covered if I discover the defect a month or two later? If not, then screw'em. I'm not buying a product who's company doesn't back their product. If they will cover it then I will buy one or two.

I don't make enough money to afford $1000 dollar rods with no warranty against defects. If I made half a mill a year then I would gamble and buy one.

1. Yes, you are wrong in the case of Megabass. Since Megabass started official distribution in the U.S., there is a workmanship/materials warranty for 1 year.

2. Jackall has a warranty for workmanship/materials for 1 year.

3. Evergreen currently has no warranty inside the U.S. because all EG rods are considered to be bootlegs or unofficial products.

Don't thank Loomis or St. Croix for the warranty. Thank your buddies who purchase those rods. You and they are picking up the tab, not the manufacturers.

This is incorrect. Tom Ashby, who owns Gloomis.us, is not only a certified Evergreen dealer....but he is the largest evergreen dealer on the net. He is also the largest Megabass dealer on the net....right here in Indiana.

http://www.gloomis.us/EVERGREEN-INTERNATIONAL-140247.aspx

Thanks for the correction, considering a bought a new EG stick from them last week and was treated to excellent service.  I knew EG was sponsoring a couple of American anglers on the FLW tour but I didn't know the distributorship was official.

@Steezy --- Aside from the $50.00 or whatever it is you pay for your no questions asked warranty, there is additional cost that is spread among every angler who purchases a stick of that brand.  If you think the replacement cost of an item is, for sake of simplicity, 20% of MSRP, why aren't you questioning the initial cost of the item?

[flechero]

I have some interest in possibly picking up a high end rod (megabass, gan craft, evergreen, etc.) but I have to end up going to other sites to read up on them. Anybody got any goodies?

Here you go...  

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1251769793

[steezy]

I have no control over what a company charges for their products.  The marketplace has some say so by the fact that if no one buys the product, the company has to either stop selling it or try lowering the price.  No sense wasting time complaining about the price or how a company determines their pricing sturcture.

My personal approach to any purchase is simple, if I cant afford it I dont buy it and I dont fault other consumers for buying the product at whatever the price.

[Pantera61]

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My personal approach to any purchase is simple, if I cant afford it I dont buy it and I dont fault other consumers for buying the product at whatever the price.

Agreement on that

[Dr. Perf]

This is incorrect. Tom Ashby, who owns Gloomis.us, is not only a certified Evergreen dealer....but he is the largest evergreen dealer on the net. He is also the largest Megabass dealer on the net....right here in Indiana.

While it appears that Gloomis.us is an Evergreen dealer, there is no statement anywhere on the website that speaks to warranty other than G.Loomis products. It would be informative to know if the establishment provides an explicit warranty for the Megabass and Evergreen rods they sell.

While I am willing to speculate they will intercede for a customer in the case of a defective product, that is not the same as an explicit warranty, which gives the purchaser legal rights. So, if some type of warranty coverage is a factor in a purchase decision, make sure it is in "black and white".

Doc

[Incheon Basser]

I like tackle. Period. The last couple years I've been more into the JDM stuff. Not because it makes me a better fisherman, but solely because I think these items are cool. Megabass, Evergreen, and the JDM Steez line are top of my list.

You can buy a few rods to use for specific purposes. I buy rods now more so to use, but also to collect. Same with the JDM reels I buy and modify, and don't get me started on the lures. ;D

i'm with ya on this i collect and fish ... i enjoy buying a sweet looking crank as much as fishing it... if it catches fish i buy 10 if it doesn't it hangs on the wall eaither way i like them

[Bantam1]

Bass Resource is about bass fishing.

Tackle Tour is about tackle, catching anything with it is incidental.

Well said  ;D