Johnny Morris reel and Pflueger Patriarch..

[underwraps1]

Is the BPS Johnny Morris reel made by Pflueger?  If so, what are the similarities between the two reels.

[FishDontLikeMe1301600221]

the older morris was,im not sure about the new models that are out,i have an older morris,and have handled the patriarchs and its a better reel then the morris,the morris has a cheap finish that flakes off after time.however the new patriarchs are lookn pretty sweet and alot lighter @ 6.8oz. and that carbonfiber handle and eva paddles,thats going to be sweet reel when it comes out in a few months.but now that abu garcia and pflueger are being made together im not sure if they are still doing bps reels.im sure somebody will let you know soon enough.

[burleytog]

Flooger doesn't even make their own reels.   :-X

[FishDontLikeMe1301600221]

Flooger doesn't even make their own reels. :-X

no company makes their own reels....foreign sweatshops do  

[The_Natural]

Pure Fishing represents Abu Garcia and Pflueguer.  Both series of reels are made by a manufacturer in Korea under liscense from pure fishing.  The Patriarch and President share the frame of the Revo, but other specifics I don't know about.  

[cart7t]

Between the 2 reels.

Ergonomics. The Morris reel is larger than the Patriarch. It's kinda like the comparison between the old Curado 200B reels and then the 200D's when they came out. On the rod, the Morris reel has a big feel to it. Very solid. As for the finish? The Morris reels, the HB versions and previous years had issues with the coatings on them tarnishing and flaking. Not these. The Titanium deposition finish on these reels is solid and incredibly durable. I never thought I'd ever like that metal feel to my reels but honestly, I find them more comfortable to fish with during a day than a normal painted reel. I'm sure the Shimano Calais feel the same way.

Crankside mechanics. If you tear the 2 apart, the mechs inside are similar but upon closer examination, there are some differences between the two, especially on the pinion slide assembly that are clearly not interchangeable. Both share the same Pflueger style spin on reel handle along with the odd star drag assembly. The main gear in the Morris reel is huge and made of brass, the Patriarchs is smaller and made of duraluminum. That's a significant factor in the big weight difference between the two. Another thing, I can pull the crankside guts out of a REVO STX and drop them into a Patriarch and the reel will work perfectly. (I've done it!) You can't do that between the Morris and Patriarch.

Palm side mechanics. This is where the two are nearly identical. Both use the same 6 pin, spring loaded centrifugal braking system. Both use the same, identical magnetic braking system. It's on the palm side where the Patriarch loses it's identity with the Revo's. The Revo linear mag system is not the same as the Pflueger version.

Fishing wise. These are both very fluid, solid, easy to cast reels. By correctly setting up the spool tension, cent. brake and mag brake (often not even needed) these reels are virtually thumbs free casting in just about any fishing condition. In comparison? Consider the Morris to feel like a larger sportscar like a Dodge Viper and the Patriarch to feel like a smaller, more nimble Porsche 911.

Hope this helps.

[underwraps1]

Yes, that helped a lot. Also, I have a question about the handle. It seems that the handle has some "play" in it. Although it is not very noticeable. I read on another forum that someone else had this same problem. What may be causing this?

[KYntucky Warmouth]

Yes, that helped a lot. Also, I have a question about the handle. It seems that the handle has some "play" in it. Although it is not very noticeable. I read on another forum that someone else had this same problem. What may be causing this?

It's most likely from that screw on handle...I'm glad they are getting rid of it

[cart7t]

Yes, that helped a lot. Also, I have a question about the handle. It seems that the handle has some "play" in it. Although it is not very noticeable. I read on another forum that someone else had this same problem. What may be causing this?

The handle has probably slipped a notch.  To tighten:  tighten down star drag all the way,  then grab the star drag and push it down (it's spring loaded), while holding down the star drag turn the reel handle to screw it down and get it to grab a notch or two.  It's probably the only weak point on the reel or the Patriarch for that matter.  You have to push down on the star drag with your finger tips in order to be able to turn the handle to tighten it.  Awkward?    Yes.

[dodgeguy]

i love that handle.never had any problem with it.i never felt any play when fishing.

[underwraps1]

I have another question. I don't know what this part is called, but the part has the writing "10 bearing system" on it, on the crankside. It moves in and out a little. Is it supposed to do this?

[cart7t]

Yes.  That's the star drag control knob.  As I mentioned in my directions for tightening the handle, the knob is spring loaded.  

The Pflueger style handles aren't like typical baitcasters that use a handle nut to hold the handle on.

The star drag assy doesn't screw onto the main shaft either and is moveable to facilitate taking the handle off.  

[underwraps1]

Well, that's different. But that makes sense to me now, thanks.