Knot problems

[nickw234]

I use Berkley Vanish flourocarbon an for some reason I have a problem with knots staying tied. I have had the idea of putting a drop of super glue on the knot but do you know if the super glue might put out a bad smell and cause the fish not to bite? So would the super glue have a negative effect on my fishing?

[BenoBreath]

Get some decent line & you won't need the glue.

[DINK WHISPERER]

Man, you actually still use Vanish!?! That stuff is crap(yes i used it)! Get you some BPS XPS or some 100% Trilene fluoro!

[nickw234]

I havent used BPS 100% but i have some berkley 100% and thought it was ok im just using the vanish now because I got a bunch free from a friend who stopped fishing. But I want to get this vanish of my reel as soon as possible.

[burleytog]

There is nothing wrong with Vanish.  What type of knot are you tying?

[RoLo]

Man, you actually still use Vanish!?! That stuff is crap(yes i used it)! Get you some BPS XPS or some 100% Trilene fluoro!

I'm far from a fluoro-fan, but "Berkley Trilene 100% Fluorocarbon" gets the nod.

Roger

[nickw234]

I used the polymor knot

[burleytog]

What does the tag end of the line look like after the 'knot slips'?  Is it curly or does it have a J-hook at the end?

[nickw234]

J-hook

[burleytog]

Your knot is breaking.  Learn to tie a better palomar.  Lubrication is the key.  Do not cinch the knot by pulling on the mainline, cinch using the tag end.

If you cinch a flouro knot and the line is curly above the knot, cut off and retie, you've burned the flouro and ruined the line above the knot.

[Tin]

Burley knows Best...

Because he's good enough, he's smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like him.

[tnbassfisher]

For some reason when I get the knot wet before I tighten it down it seems to hold better.

[burleytog]

For some reason when I get the knot wet before I tighten it down it seems to hold better.

That is because flouro is very susceptible to friction.  With lubrication before cinching, that friction is reduced and the line isn't weakened.

[SirSnookalot]

I don't think the glue smell has an affect either way, you need to tie a better or different knot. I would experiment a bit, also I singe the tag end with a cigarette or bic really helps the line from pulling thru. For the guy that has everything there are tools that will singe the line ( I think battery operated).

I have never used vanish but I know a guy who does and loves it. I'd have no qualms in buying it.

[tentimesover]

I wouldn't use Vanish on a spinning outfit.  I tried it and was very frustrated with the looping.  If you're using a bait caster it might be OK.

[roadwarrior]

Your knot is breaking. Learn to tie a better palomar. Lubrication is the key. Do not cinch the knot by pulling on the mainline, cinch using the tag end.

If you cinch a flouro knot and the line is curly above the knot, cut off and retie, you've burned the flouro and ruined the line above the knot.

Excellent advice. There is really nothing more to say.

[bigtimfish]

Your knot is breaking. Learn to tie a better palomar. Lubrication is the key. Do not cinch the knot by pulling on the mainline, cinch using the tag end.

If you cinch a flouro knot and the line is curly above the knot, cut off and retie, you've burned the flouro and ruined the line above the knot.

I know this is about Flouro, but does the cinching with the tag end apply to my sufix siege as well? I wet with saliva but cinch down with the main line. But I have not had any problems.

[Muddy]

Here is a great site: animated instructions on a lot of good knots:

http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

BTW : Burley has a lot of excellent ideas, except in the reel department ;D

[burleytog]

Your knot is breaking. Learn to tie a better palomar. Lubrication is the key. Do not cinch the knot by pulling on the mainline, cinch using the tag end.

If you cinch a flouro knot and the line is curly above the knot, cut off and retie, you've burned the flouro and ruined the line above the knot.

I know this is about Flouro, but does the cinching with the tag end apply to my sufix siege as well? I wet with saliva but cinch down with the main line. But I have not had any problems.

It is a good habit to start with any line.

[Poolie727]

Your knot is breaking. Learn to tie a better palomar. Lubrication is the key. Do not cinch the knot by pulling on the mainline, cinch using the tag end.

If you cinch a flouro knot and the line is curly above the knot, cut off and retie, you've burned the flouro and ruined the line above the knot.

I know this is about Flouro, but does the cinching with the tag end apply to my sufix siege as well? I wet with saliva but cinch down with the main line. But I have not had any problems.

It is a good habit to start with any line.

As I'm clinching, I also help the knot along by pushing the knot down with thumb and index finger. Seems to help cut down on the friction.

For the longest time I wouldn't try Fluoro because I read about it being so temperamental with knots. After finally giving in, what I discovered is that it's not the fluoro that's the problem. People just don't take time to master their knots. I've tied an improved clinch for the past 20 years and have had no problem with knot failures.