Spinnerbait Theory

[yurstruely]

they also make a really long spinner bait by booyah with a 2 ft wire you could attach monipule spinners on it and have bout 6 in a straight line that woudl work but once a bass hits any of them then you have to real in quickly. you could uses trailer hook rubber bands to keep the other spinner baits from slideing hopefully this helps you out laot more than my original goofy idea!

[George Welcome]

"Bass DO NOT school. " A school of fish moves in unison, and live together.  Bass swim and feed together, but in groups more accuratly called aggregations.  They do not coordinate movements, but do prowl an area at the same time.  Their feeding efforts aren't coordinated, and they don't remain in the same group.  Therefore, bass don't exhibit true schooling behavior."

The above is 100% wrong!!!!!!  

[George Welcome]

Most states would consider a rig such as you are suggesting illegal.

Another thought: spinner baits are reaction baits, not feeding baits.

[Grey Wolf]

In Ohio you are allowed only three hooks per line . I would suggest you check your states fishing regulations and go from there.

[fishbear]

A 7'6" heavy rod probably will not be enough.... maybe find an 8 ft. salmon trolling rod, with roller guides, and 120 lb. test braid, and a Daiwa 250H reel.    Otherwise you may never bring it in even with a small fish on it.  There is gonna be a lot of drag there.

One thing is for sure, you will build up your arm strength casting and retrieving that thing...  

[BucketmouthAngler13]

In Ohio you are allowed only three hooks per line . I would suggest you check your states fishing regulations and go from there.

In NJ you are allowed 9 hooks each line.

Matt

[Matt Fly]

Some things that do work, sometimes.

I have run a spinner bait with 12-18 inch leader and small in-line spinner such as a shyster or rooster tail with no problems.  Instead of the stinger hook, run a teaser.

Some people tie a teaser fly on top waters, and they do work.

Some people also remove the front treble on certain cranks and also put an in-liner spinner of another small leader, quick, thn billed baits works better than say a dd-22.

Every one of these I tried, I did so in a swimming pool first to see how it ran and what action I need to give it to swim right.

The wire ideal works in theory, but doesn't work so well in producing with coat hangers.

I tried similar wires to get "thinner", but found they collaspe down due to the drag they create.

Their are pre-rigged baits on the market for ever that simulate what you are trying to do.      The salt water speck rig is just two bucktail jigs on different length leaders.

Salt water umbrellas are common, but remember the ocean is usually clear of snags and running these set-ups are easy in open waters.

I don't know the true definition of schooling fish, but do know that at certain times of the year, such as fall, the fish  gather in packs or schools and chase shad together.   The fry of this year stay schooled together most of the year, you know the old saying, "strength in numbers", its nothing to see the small bass throughout the summer schooling on minnows all summer.

There are times that the bass are as wide and long as a football field busting shad on the surface, some say how do you know they are just blacks and not stripers and whites.    I reply, Fork has no stripers or whites.    

Hookem

Matt.

[Shakes]

No. I completely disagree with your theory. While its creative and optimistic, it really isn't needed. If you fish a spinnerbait like I do, then the school theory doesn't apply. I believe the correct technique for fishing a spinnerbait is to make it appear that your bait is injured in some way.

Run the spinnerbait into things. Timber, lilly roots... anything that a normal and healthy baitfish wouldn't do. Bloom the skirt at times, and let it fall at times. An injured prey is always preferred over a baitfish that bass can't catch.

[KenDammit28]

I would have to vote no on the rig as well..  Its a novel thought but its not one that would likely produce any more results than normally fishing a spinnerbait.  As a couple others have said, they are reaction baits, not necessarily "feeding" baits.  Not too many lures really are a "feeding" bait, as it is.  The whole method of fishing a spinnerbait, that many people don't often remember, is that being a little erratic helps the catch.  There are times when a straight out and straight in retrieve is possibly the best option, other times where it will not produce a single tick.

[Chris]

Many years ago a guy took a mirror out and started teasing a cat with it. He noticed that the cat would run around and chase a reflected light on the ground even though it didn't look like anything. The guy then had the idea that if he created something that had many small mirrors on it that could be dragged behind the boat that the many reflections would look like a school of baitfish. He then tested his theory by making a soda bottle with glued mirrors on it with something like a fin to make the bottle turn while being dragged and also had a place to tie a lure on the end of it. He found that it did draw the attention of the bass and it did catch fish. The person was Doug Hannon.

[yurstruely]

I do believe this a is a theory that he wishes to test not a theory on how bass school, object here is to become a school of bait fish to attract the bass..... If you think bass dotn school then your wrong, besides feeding they stick together in summer and winter in deep water, they dont stay with the same school 100% of the time but they school until around 3Lbs or more then they no longer have to compete as much for food. He is right about a bait that woudl imatate a GROUP OF BAIT FISH THAT WOUld MOST DEFINATELY DRAw IN BASS. For those of you disaggreeing with this technique then you have neevr heard of these types of rigs in salt water fishing, it isnt rare to hit stripers on this technique either dont crush this mans dreams, hes mearly usein his thought proces to create somethin beutiful respect it and move on if you dotn liek the idea dotn add a post on his thread. Simple as that respect his ability to think out side the box since many of you just disagree with it then i dare you to challenge yourself to think out side the box too........

[JiggaMan512]

In Ohio you are allowed only three hooks per line . I would suggest you check your states fishing regulations and go from there.

In NJ you are allowed 9 hooks each line.

Matt

How do you find information that is state specific like this? obviously, i checked NC G&WL site but no luck

[senile1]

Bucketmouthangler13,

Even if this doesn't work, I think it's great that you're thinking.  If one thing doesn't work, the mind always seems to find another that will.  It's a matter of having the determination to stick with it.  All great inventions usually evolve from many, many failures.  

[BucketmouthAngler13]

In Ohio you are allowed only three hooks per line . I would suggest you check your states fishing regulations and go from there.

In NJ you are allowed 9 hooks each line.

Matt

How do you find information that is state specific like this? obviously, i checked NC G&WL site but no luck

www.njfishandwildlife.com

Yesterday i tested the first rig. It didn't tangle much at all, maybe 2 casts out of 15.

Yes, it was somewhat difficult to retrieve, but it was doable.

The spinnerbaits swam near eathother, and it looks Sooooooo awsome.

I only got about 15 casts with it, becuase i snagged it on some line and lost all three spinnerbaits. :'(

I hate that snag. I have lost tons of lures on it. Someone threw in like 50lb line and it got cought on the rocks, making it inpossible to get lures unsnagged.

I didn't exept to catch any fish. I using below the dam where the current is extreamly fast now, and i doubt there is any bass in there.

But oh well, i will build another model once i replenish my spinnerbait supply. I need to use a stronger, thinner wire. Got any ideas?

Thanks

Matt

[Dan:]

In Ohio you are allowed only three hooks per line . I would suggest you check your states fishing regulations and go from there.

In NJ you are allowed 9 hooks each line.

Matt

How do you find information that is state specific like this? obviously, i checked NC G&WL site but no luck

see if you can find a rules and regulation booklet or something. I know Virginia publishes a a new Fishing Rules and Guidelines booklet every year with updated creel limits, license information, fishing locations, and species identifications.

[senko_77]

bucket, i only read the first page of replies, so im not sure if someone had already suggested this. but anyway, i like the idea. its pretty cool. if your still on a 3-way swivel idea, then drop it. the problem with fishing two baits with a 3-way swivel is if you hook to fish and they go opposite directions your line will snap every time. garunteed. you said something in one of your posts about once one bass is hooked up others wont bite the other spinnerbaits. not true. there have been countless times that i have hooked a fish on a fluke, jerkbait, crankbait, etc and as im lipping the fish theres 10 others following it trying to grab the lure out of its mouth.

i like your wire idea. i know you know that its to thick and you have to find something thinner but strong enough for multiple bass. i would use piano wire. its the wire that some spinnerbait companies use. its super tough and your gonna need some strength and some needle nose pliers to make the line ties on each end of it. you can buy piano wire for dirt cheap at most quality hobby stores.

now, i have an idea on how to make the baits less "tangly" let's say you have 3 spinnerbaits rigged on. how about one of them has dual colorado blades, one has a willow and colorado, and the other has double willow. that way they all ride in different positions in the water column. the double colorado will want to rise while the double willow will sink more due to less resistence and the willow/colorado will sit even the whole way in. not sure if you understand what im saying but i think it could work if you played around and found the right blades for them. you could also make the double colorado have a really thick skirt so it sinks slower and the double willow have a real thin skirt so it sinks faster.

[BucketmouthAngler13]

now, i have an idea on how to make the baits less "tangly"  let's say you have 3 spinnerbaits rigged on.  how about one of them has dual colorado blades, one has a willow and colorado, and the other has double willow.  that way they all ride in different positions in the water column.  the double colorado will want to rise while the double willow will sink more due to less resistence and the willow/colorado will sit even the whole way in.  not sure if you understand what im saying but i think it could work if you played around and found the right blades for them.  you could also make the double colorado have a really thick skirt so it sinks slower and the double willow have a real thin skirt so it sinks faster.

Yes i was trying this on the first model. the two lower baits where willow bladed, and the top one was colorado.

However, the tagles where accuring during the cast. Once the baits got in the water it wouldn't tangle. And remember, the purpose of this rig is to have any many baits as possible as close to eachother as possible.

Matt

[roadwarrior]

Take a look at this, maybe it will help:

http://www.9erslures.com/

[nboucher]

Matt, why aren't you out getting high or vegging in front of the TV like other guys your age?  

I'm in awe of you. Your creativity and determination are a wonder to behold. And that photo of your rig hanging on the doorframe is a classic.

Keep at it, man.  

[Guest whittler]

TRY IT, get out the wire cutters and get with it. The umbrella rig is already out there and it works so why won't yours? Make a couple prototypes and see what does and does not work, make your modifications and go again. Do not give up an idea because someone else says it won't work.

When asked about how he invented the filament for the electric light, Thomas Edison replied " I found over 3,000 things that did not work".

[liquidsoap]

Tinker with the idea a little bit, we have had 4 or 5 bass go after our spinnerbait at once.  Once we even almost netted 2 fish and one wasnt even hooked using a spinnerbait  

I like the idea, but not how it looks...

I spreader that we use for perch in ohio would do the trick?  But that would only mean 2 spinnerbaits....

I think the rig would work better with buzzbaits..

That is if you prefected your hanger

[liquidsoap]

Thake a look at this, maybe it will help:

http://www.9erslures.com/

Wonder if anyone tryed to troll that in freshwater???

I doubt it would work but who knows...

[Other.]

Sort of like a few of the pictures posted by other members only 1 hook is really needed. That one lure with hook in it resembles the slowest fish in the school. If bass are anything like lions they are going to go for the slowest one in the pack (this case school)

[BucketmouthAngler13]

Im going to make another one as soon as i can get some more spinnerbaits. I'm still looking for good wire that is strong and thick.

And i dont think this idea will work good with buzzbaits. Frogs dont school together.

However, it would create more noise and action, so maybe the bass will still hit it.

[liquidsoap]

Buzzbait = Scared or injured shad  

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