Super User dodgeguy Posted July 5, 2009 Super User Posted July 5, 2009 johnny morris signature series. Quote
Super User Dan: Posted July 5, 2009 Super User Posted July 5, 2009 In my opinon high end rods are a waste of money when you can go to walmart and but a descent rod for 15 bucks if you are worried about breakage buy three or four and you are still no where near the 100+ dollars you will spend on a rod that is made the same exact way that an inexpensive one is made but if you are a name brand guy go with st. coxi I'm with him-- get a "st. coxi" Quote
coryjames Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 In my opinon high end rods are a waste of money when you can go to walmart and but a descent rod for 15 bucks if you are worried about breakage buy three or four and you are still no where near the 100+ dollars you will spend on a rod that is made the same exact way that an inexpensive one is made but if you are a name brand guy go with st. coxi or try a loomston ::)or a loomi Quote
bass wrangler569 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 In my opinon high end rods are a waste of money when you can go to walmart and but a descent rod for 15 bucks if you are worried about breakage buy three or four and you are still no where near the 100+ dollars you will spend on a rod that is made the same exact way that an inexpensive one is made but if you are a name brand guy go with st. coxi or try a loomston ::)or a loomi I'd take a loomston over a st. coxi any day ;D Quote
Bass Pro Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 I honestly don't see any high end rods on your list. Personally, I'd go with the Zillion rods for feel type baits (jigs, soft plastics, etc) and I would go with the Steez rods for all moving baits (spinnerbaits, crankbaits, etc). Quote
Super User Dan: Posted July 5, 2009 Super User Posted July 5, 2009 I honestly don't see any high end rods on your list. Personally, I'd go with the Zillion rods for feel type baits (jigs, soft plastics, etc) and I would go with the Steez rods for all moving baits (spinnerbaits, crankbaits, etc). and twenty dollar bills for wiping his arse? Quote
Super User RoLo Posted July 6, 2009 Super User Posted July 6, 2009 In my opinon high end rods are a waste of money when you can go to walmart and but a descent rod for 15 bucks if you are worried about breakage buy three or four and you are still no where near the 100+ dollars you will spend on a rod that is made the same exact way that an inexpensive one is made but if you are a name brand guy go with st. coxi or try a loomston ::)or a loomi I'd take a loomston over a st. coxi any day ;D You guys are killing me...my stomach hurts from laughing Roger Quote
coryjames Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 I honestly don't see any high end rods on your list. Personally, I'd go with the Zillion rods for feel type baits (jigs, soft plastics, etc) and I would go with the Steez rods for all moving baits (spinnerbaits, crankbaits, etc). and twenty dollar bills for wiping his arse? what are you kidding me?? twenty dollar bills??their a little rough go at least fifties,or perferably one hundreds 8-)and get two steezs.use one and hang the other in your house for show Quote
The_Natural Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 In that range, you've got a few choices. Here are my opinions of the rods I've owned in your budget. Which rod I would choose would depend on what your intentions are. Legend Tournament- Sensitive rods, but as I've stated before if you are shelling out $200; sensitivity comes standard. Performance is a given as well, but some rods shine in certain areas. The LT is a technique specific line, and offers more actions than any other lineup in the $200 range. I owned the magnum cranker (7'10" moderate) for a season, as well as the 'big gulp' flippin' stick. They have a 7' length in the cranker as well. Great tip and taper for cranks...the upper section isn't too floppy (which I hate) and has a perfect fade into the power region. The standard medium, medium heavy, and heavy power, fast action 6'6"-7' rods are indeed fast, but not as crisp as the IMX or Zillion. For cranks, traps, magic swimmers, etc.....I'd go with one of the LT crankers. *Note....the Legend Tournaments feel tip-heavy off the shelf, and I recommend an aluminum framed reel versus a magnesium model. You don't need to put a brick on it, but a reel in the upper 7's or 8oz (Zillion or Curado) will balance it out nicely. IMX- The most sensitive blank in the $200 range, but newcomers such as the Cumara and Zillion have narrowed the gap enough that I feel you should focus on other factors such as weight, balance, and how agile it feels in your hand. The Mag Bass Loomis blanks are probably the most versatile blanks made, offering a very crisp, fast blank with just the right amount of tip action that truly remains 'in the tip section' of the blank, with a quick transition to power. The MB 844 blank is the only heavy powered, fast action rod that really excels at jigs and c-rigs, yet has the tip to fling weightless lizards and small buzzbaits. I'd go IMX if you want a versatile jig/worm/chatterbait/spinnerbait/fluke/paddle tail tube rod. Zillion- Very reminiscent of the BCR Loomis series in the extreme actions they provide. In laymans terms; they are 'stiff'. The least versatile out of the $200ish rods. No tip action what-so-ever; these are dedicated jig/worm/c-rig rods. The extra-fast action equates to significantly more power than your usual rod rating. Tackle Tour tested the medium Heavy Zillion which proved to be more powerful than the Heavy (844) Loomis. I think many anglers have purchased Zillions and wished they had gone down a power. The medium power is going to satisfy most Zillion shoppers; it will easily cast 1/8oz baby boo jigs, yet handle will handle jigs up to 3/4oz. Dobyns- Haven't fished them. I don't really know anyone who has purchased one retail; I do know countless staffers from several boards, but you may want an unbiased opinion. Quote
steezy Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 Dont buy anything until you at least try a Steez! Found a great deal on ebay and paid less than $200 for my second steez. Quote
Super User Dan: Posted July 6, 2009 Super User Posted July 6, 2009 Dont buy anything until you at least try a Steez! Found a great deal on ebay and paid less than $200 for my second steez. you bought a Steez rod for less than $200? was it still in one piece? Quote
steezy Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 Yep, it is a Daiwa Steez 6' M, just like my other on I paid $379 for at BPS. I was a little skeptical buying it on eBay but I won the auction for $179 + $20 shipping for a total of $199. The seller shipped it priority 2nd day, it arrived in a cabelas rod shipping tube. I checked it throughly and its flawless. Fished with it this past weekend and caught several 3 lb'ders with no problem. Wish I could find another one for that price! BTW, I also picked up another Steez reel for $325. Thats $155 less than I paid for my first steez reel at BPS. Ended up with a second steez combo for $524 ! Quote
aarogb Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 Yep, it is a Daiwa Steez 6' M, just like my other on I paid $379 for at BPS. I was a little skeptical buying it on eBay but I won the auction for $179 + $20 shipping for a total of $199. The seller shipped it priority 2nd day, it arrived in a cabelas rod shipping tube. I checked it throughly and its flawless. Fished with it this past weekend and caught several 3 lb'ders with no problem.Wish I could find another one for that price! BTW, I also picked up another Steez reel for $325. Thats $155 less than I paid for my first steez reel at BPS. Ended up with a second steez combo for $524 ! What the hell? Are you made of money? Quote
steezy Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 Nope, not made of money, just lucky to have a really good job, blessed with a very good income and a sucker for nice toys. Quote
G.Lee Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 I enjoy the 'touch' of my All Star 783C. Both of them. I am looking at a Carrot Stix CG-661M-C for an addition to my rods. I coupled my All Stars with the Plueger Asaro and they seem to make a good combo for me. Thinking about putting the Plueger Patriarch with the Carrot?? You guys are the experts....... what do you think? I'm a weekend warrior on area lakes. Quote
bass wrangler569 Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 I enjoy the 'touch' of my All Star 783C. Both of them. I am looking at a Carrot Stix CG-661M-C for an addition to my rods. I coupled my All Stars with the Plueger Asaro and they seem to make a good combo for me. Thinking about putting the Plueger Patriarch with the Carrot?? You guys are the experts....... what do you think? I'm a weekend warrior on area lakes. Are you planning on putting the Plueger on an Loomston or a St. Coxi, or perhaps maybe a Fenlick or the famous Diawa Sleez? This thread is awesome Quote
jignfule Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 My experience: I have a ES70mf St. Croix & a GLX BSR852. IMO there is no comparison. The GLX out performs the St. Croix by a wide margin. Quote
G.Lee Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 I enjoy the 'touch' of my All Star 783C. Both of them. I am looking at a Carrot Stix CG-661M-C for an addition to my rods. I coupled my All Stars with the Plueger Asaro and they seem to make a good combo for me. Thinking about putting the Plueger Patriarch with the Carrot?? You guys are the experts....... what do you think? I'm a weekend warrior on area lakes. Are you planning on putting the Plueger on an Loomston or a St. Coxi, or perhaps maybe a Fenlick or the famous Diawa Sleez? This thread is awesome Please excuse my spelling young man. I can see that you are very cranial. Quote
Bassaholic84 Posted July 7, 2009 Author Posted July 7, 2009 A big thing im looking for in the rod is sensitivity. Deep Water fishing/ main plastic stick. So sensitivity is really what im looking for. I really dont want to spend more then $200. I am really leaning towards the loomis but the sleek design of the new rods is whats keeping me from buying it. Quote
Bass Pro Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 A big thing im looking for in the rod is sensitivity. Deep Water fishing/ main plastic stick. So sensitivity is really what im looking for. I really dont want to spend more then $200. I am really leaning towards the loomis but the sleek design of the new rods is whats keeping me from buying it. If it is plastics you plan to use the rod for, then the Zillions are ideal for that application. Quote
Bassaholic84 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Posted July 8, 2009 I have a powell ef 703c. Its a medium heavy rod. I am trying to beable to cover a variety of applications with these two rods. Should i use that as my plastics set up and look for a different type of rod? Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted July 8, 2009 Super User Posted July 8, 2009 My experience: I have a ES70mf St. Croix & a GLX BSR852. IMO there is no comparison. The GLX out performs the St. Croix by a wide margin. That's a fact! However, I still prefer the ES70MF for weightless soft plastics. The "professional overruns" we experience with baitcasting gear when a soft plastic goes airborne is totally unacceptable for me. 8-) Quote
Super User David P Posted July 8, 2009 Super User Posted July 8, 2009 I own several St Croix Legend Tournaments, and they are my choice. Made in the USA, as are the Loomis's can't go wrong with either IMHO Dobyn's............please $300 for a "made in china" rod, with non-fuji guides, and a $60 replacment charge, which is $10 MORE than Croix or Loomis. Not to mention the first run of rods which tanked because of poor quality. I would be VERY leary of spending any of my $$ on a rod with his name on it till they can prove they can make more than one batch of rods that won't fall apart. Ok before you bash anything, lets clarify. $300? No, under $240 for the Champion series. Non Fuji guides ? This was by choice, and is partly why the rods are a bit more money. The guides are lighter, smaller, and I absolutely love them over the fuji guides. Quote
Super User flechero Posted July 8, 2009 Super User Posted July 8, 2009 The guides are lighter, smaller,..... Brokeju, Do you have a source for this info? (other than Gary) Steel frames with SiC or Zirconium rings are offered by several companies, I haven't turned up the actual specs showing dimensions and weights, with any searches. The pictures don't show these guides as being "smaller" in fact, the frames on the SiC are quite wide looking, while the Zirconium guides look much like the Alps XXNZG series. Either way, I would love to see the actual weights, compared to other manufacturers guides, in same ring sizes. My suspicion is that they are only smaller and lighter than the guides he didn't use. Quote
bass wrangler569 Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I enjoy the 'touch' of my All Star 783C. Both of them. I am looking at a Carrot Stix CG-661M-C for an addition to my rods. I coupled my All Stars with the Plueger Asaro and they seem to make a good combo for me. Thinking about putting the Plueger Patriarch with the Carrot?? You guys are the experts....... what do you think? I'm a weekend warrior on area lakes. Are you planning on putting the Plueger on an Loomston or a St. Coxi, or perhaps maybe a Fenlick or the famous Diawa Sleez? This thread is awesome Please excuse my spelling young man. I can see that you are very cranial. No hard feelings ment. I was just messin' with ya Quote
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