christopherjake Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 I am a G-Loomis guy but I hear so many good things about the Daiwa Steez so I went ahead and ordered me one. The Steez should arrive today and I'm hoping to use it this July the 4th. For those of you who own both, what are your thoughts of the Steez compared to the Loomis GLX rods? I love G-Loomis but not too fond of the cork grip.
Super User Raul Posted June 29, 2009 Super User Posted June 29, 2009 Ask The Natural, he 's got both.
Super User 5bass Posted June 29, 2009 Super User Posted June 29, 2009 [movedhere] Everything Else [move by] five.bass.limit.
Tanker4lyfe Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 honestly i've tried both the steez rods and reels and i must say they are way over priced. i currently own 5 curado E's and 3 citica E's all on rods from american rodsmith's, falcon, castaway, and well i would not even budge on the diawa's. i just cannot imagine over $400 for a single baitcaster its mind boggling. and they're rods IMO are horrible performance wise the touch and feel just isn't there you'ed be hard pressed not to go with the best rods in the business IMO and that is G-loomis.
nateobot Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Ask The Natural, he 's got both. If I remember, I think he didn't like the Steez and actually preferred the Zillion rods to them.
Super User burleytog Posted June 29, 2009 Super User Posted June 29, 2009 Ask yourself this. Do you want to fish with a rod that was designed in 1899 and looks like something your grandfather fished with in the 60's? Or do you want a modern rod that is sexy?
Pantera61 Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 I wouldn't blow coin on a G-Loomano. Steez is a great rod. The Zillion is an extremely good rod at about 1/2 the price.
steezy Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 I own 2 Steez Rods (just bought the second and got a great deal at 30% off retail). I have only fished with a G-Loomis GLX 1 time but much prefer the Steez. I think it is just as sensitive and you cant beat the lightweight of the Steez. I can fish all day without any wrist or arm fatigue.
80pruf Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 I had started a thread that was very similar but nobody responded to it. I am VERY interested in a Zillion flippin' stick but wondered what people that had used them thought. I have been told that the steez and the loomis glx are the "best of the best" but I can't drop that kind of coin. Info would be great!
cidgrad96 Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 OK here's what I don't get... not trying to thread rob and feel free to blast me.. But why would anyone drop $300+ on a rod that is built in a factory? A competent custom rod builder can get more out of blank, offer things not available on factory rods, and make the rod specifically for you and how you fish - including grip size, grip material, guide options, and the list goes on. Just trying to understand why people are willing to drop serious coin on something mass produced when they can get a better tool for less money. :-/
steezy Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 My 2 reasons are: 1. My Steez rods have a lifetime warranty, if they break Daiwa will be there to replace it. 2. If I buy from a big name dealer (at least the first 1 rod) and I don't like it they will let me return it for a full refund.
cidgrad96 Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 Good points Steezy - but a reputible builder can/will do the same. Not all will, but if you are picky about the production company, you should be just as picky about a custom builder. Nothing wrong with that for sure! Also fairly good % of that high purchase price on production rods is for warranty replacement. You're paying for the next one on your first. I'll give you an example. I recently learned some fly rod company numbers - Company X retails a rod for $800 - they have under $100 invested in it. Profit for them, the dealer, and warranty replacement is built into that $800 retail. (Info came from a highly reliable source as well - someone who did R&D for them) Again, sorry as this isn't the topic. Just trying to learn and understand.
Super User Dan: Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 OK here's what I don't get... not trying to thread rob and feel free to blast me..But why would anyone drop $300+ on a rod that is built in a factory? A competent custom rod builder can get more out of blank, offer things not available on factory rods, and make the rod specifically for you and how you fish - including grip size, grip material, guide options, and the list goes on. Just trying to understand why people are willing to drop serious coin on something mass produced when they can get a better tool for less money. :-/ what if you are happy with the steez grip size, grip material, and guides? They are all top of the line, after all... What else can a custom builder offer you that a Steez cannot? the only thing I could really think of is wrap options--which wouldn't matter for me because I would order a rod that looks just like a steez or zillion (in fact my only custom rod is all black with foam grips like a zillion just without as much silver)
stryk9 Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 its personal opinion mate. i dont think you will be dissatisfied with either as they are both top notch rods. i have never heard anyone say anything negative about the GLX, which is what i will be upgrading to from the IMX when stocks start to go back up lol. if the steez is anything like the zillion you will be happy. why dont you give us a rundown of the steez after you fish it.
cidgrad96 Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 Guide spacing not based on a template Maximized set up for the reel you are using Locking wraps on single foot guides No handle "kit" as is on many of those rods Balance if desired Less added weight to the blank Specified handle lengths For many people - help picking the right blank (not applicable to all) A few things that come to mind right off the bat. But good points and a good question in "what is the difference". Then again, some builders make tanks, some make ferraris. Finding that difference can be harder than buying a rack rod and I imagine trust probably factors in the equation as well. Not to mention a lot of builders don't have rods just sitting around folks can try out either. All things working in favor of the production rod.
Super User Dan: Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 Guide spacing not based on a templateMaximized set up for the reel you are using Locking wraps on single foot guides No handle "kit" as is on many of those rods Balance if desired Less added weight to the blank lighter than a Steez? Good luck. Specified handle lengths For many people - help picking the right blank (not applicable to all) A few things that come to mind right off the bat. But good points and a good question in "what is the difference". What if you don't care about those things you listed or they satisfy your requirements. For example, it's going to be hard to beat the weight of a Steez rod. I don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacing, and as far as "kit" handles--what if the Zaion reel seats on the Zillions are your ideal seat? They are supposed to be great. What if you want top of the line guides like the Fuji SiCs? Then a Zillion or Steez would be perfect.
Super User Bassn Blvd Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 Ask yourself this. Do you want to fish with a rod that was designed in 1899 and looks like something your grandfather fished with in the 60's? Or do you want a modern rod that is sexy? Stop being a hater.
cidgrad96 Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 Guide spacing not based on a templateMaximized set up for the reel you are using Locking wraps on single foot guides No handle "kit" as is on many of those rods Balance if desired Less added weight to the blank lighter than a Steez? Good luck. Specified handle lengths For many people - help picking the right blank (not applicable to all) A few things that come to mind right off the bat. But good points and a good question in "what is the difference". What if you don't care about those things you listed or they satisfy your requirements. For example, it's going to be hard to beat the weight of a Steez rod. I don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacing, and as far as "kit" handles--what if the Zaion reel seats on the Zillions are your ideal seat? They are supposed to be great. What if you want top of the line guides like the Fuji SiCs? Then a Zillion or Steez would be perfect. That's why there are choices. Just trying to understand the ones people make. Maybe it's the reel seat shape - good reason. Just looking for reasons. That's a good concrete reason other than what steezy posted. The weights are definitely attainable - really not even that hard to do. They did it - why can't a custom builder? Daiwa Steez STZ631MHFBA SVF - 3.4 oz - 6'3" rod. I'm sitting here holding a 6'9" MH that weighs 3.6 - yes it's .2 oz heavier, but it's 6" more rod too. And it doesn't have Fuji SiCs which are lighter than what I have on this one. So I respectfully disagree regarding weight. Guide spacing... not getting into that one tonight. But it does make a difference in performance.
Super User Tin Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 I have used both for jig fishing and shakey heading and if I had the money I would take the Steez anyday.
Super User Jimzee Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 Ask yourself this. Do you want to fish with a rod that was designed in 1899 and looks like something your grandfather fished with in the 60's? Or do you want a modern rod that is sexy? Stop being a hater. lol...Don't worry Doug, we all like the Loomis. If they made a split grip production rod with no fore grip, I will be one of the first in line.
Super User burleytog Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 Yep, give me an IMX or GLX that looks like a Kistler LTX or a Daiwa Zillion and I'll be on it like white on rice.
skno Posted June 30, 2009 Posted June 30, 2009 They do make one. Its called St. Croix Legend Elite ;D :
Super User flechero Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 Ask yourself this. Do you want to fish with a rod that was designed in 1899 and looks like something your grandfather fished with in the 60's? Or do you want a modern rod that is sexy? Hmm... keep up this kind of crappy posting and I'll have Ryan send you his hoodie. : Why not just buy the kistler or zillion, if all you care about are the looks, problem solved.
Super User flechero Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 I don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacing At least not anyone that knows squat about rods. ;D
Super User Dan: Posted June 30, 2009 Super User Posted June 30, 2009 I don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacing At least not anyone that knows squat about rods. ;D Really? How different can 9 or 10 guides be spaced on a 6'9'' rod with different effect?
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