STX vs. Patriarch

[Big O Tires Angler]

Theoretically the STX should throw lighter baits...well...all baits much further than the Patriarch. I agree with Micro on this one and think that you should just get another STX.

Yes, maybe getting the Patriarch will save you a few extra minutes at the end of the day because it requires less adjustment, but if you know how to properly use an STX then I don't see a reason to get a different reel...unless you just want to taste another flavor.

[cart7t]

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Theoretically the STX should throw lighter baits...well...all baits much further than the Patriarch. I agree with Micro on this one and think that you should just get another STX.

Yes, maybe getting the Patriarch will save you a few extra minutes at the end of the day because it requires less adjustment, but if you know how to properly use an STX then I don't see a reason to get a different reel...unless you just want to taste another flavor.

He's buying the reel for flippin and C riggin and putting it on a 7'6" flippin rod. Light lure casting is not an issue.

BTW, the STX would probably throw a light weight bait further than the Patriarch IF you were comparing it to the WLP version.  If you compare it to the LP version, it's not likely.  The LP has a slotted aluminum V type spool which holds less line than the bigger spool on the STX.  Also, if you set the STX up the way Micro suggests, with the spool tension turned up, the potential for throwing a bait further than an LP Patriarch reel is negated despite the heavier cent brake mech on the end of the patriarch spool end.  

In theory, a reel retailing for $200 shouldn't require a special set of skills to use, not when there are other reels out there than can perform the same tasks just as good with far more ease at the same price or less.

[Micro]

The vast majority of STX owner have learned to use the reel with no problems.  That you have to constantly adjust it is bunk.  Either you take the time to learn to use it, or you don't.   You don't need a reel with all the brakes on it the Patriarch has.  

[Pantera61]

If you want the reel for flippin', save yourself $100.00 and purchase the REVO S, it's all you need.  If you want it for pitchin' and flippin', purchase the STX.  If you don't want to have to learn to use a reel properly, purchase a Zebco 33, no worries at all.

The Patriarch brake system is like wearing suspenders and a belt.  Great for safety engineers, not practical for a fireman.

[cart7t]

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If you want the reel for flippin', save yourself $100.00 and purchase the REVO S, it's all you need. If you want it for pitchin' and flippin', purchase the STX. If you don't want to have to learn to use a reel properly, purchase a Zebco 33, no worries at all.

The Patriarch brake system is like wearing suspenders and a belt. Great for safety engineers, not practical for a fireman.

;D

Mag braking was introduced in the early 80's to attract those who have trouble knowing how to thumb a reel properly towards the end of the cast.

Interesting that the STX uses it as it's main brake system, something that was originally designed in the early 80's for those who aren't real good at thumb braking.

BTW, Most Patriarch users I know keep the mag brakes off most of the time and only use them throwing small baits or high profile baits into the wind.

[Pantera61]

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If you want the reel for flippin', save yourself $100.00 and purchase the REVO S, it's all you need. If you want it for pitchin' and flippin', purchase the STX. If you don't want to have to learn to use a reel properly, purchase a Zebco 33, no worries at all.

The Patriarch brake system is like wearing suspenders and a belt. Great for safety engineers, not practical for a fireman.

;D

Mag braking was introduced in the early 80's to attract those who have trouble knowing how to thumb a reel properly towards the end of the cast.

Interesting that the STX uses it as it's main brake system, something that was originally designed in the early 80's for those who aren't real good at thumb braking.

BTW, Most Patriarch users I know keep the mag brakes off most of the time and only use them throwing small baits or high profile baits into the wind.

Two things which make baitcasting more difficult than it has to be:

Only set the cast control loose enough so the bait just start to fall under it's own weight.

Thumb it.

[DINK WHISPERER]

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I own several STXs and have owned a Johnny Morris Elite, which is essentially a Patriarch.

The idea that the Patriarch outcasts the Revo STX with any weight bait was not my experience at all. The Patriarch has a centrifugal brake attached to the spool, with a steel inductor plate attached to that. With line, the spool was way more massive than the Revos. It didn't cast light baits anywhere near as well as the Revo, and cast the heaviest bait I used only as well.

As far as the braking goes. the Patriarch uses the exact same brake as the Elite. It is a good brake, but its fool proof. In that anyone can set it for backlash free casting. It's especially good for those who can't or don't learn to use one brake or the other. I think if you fish seriously, you'll outgrow the Patriasrch brake and yearn for something that, while perhaps a little more finicky, will allow for better over all performance. Why not start out with the better reel and learn to use it right off?

Go with the STX.

Couldn't have said it better myself, LOL!!!!!!

[cart7t]

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I own several STXs and have owned a Johnny Morris Elite, which is essentially a Patriarch.

The idea that the Patriarch outcasts the Revo STX with any weight bait was not my experience at all. The Patriarch has a centrifugal brake attached to the spool, with a steel inductor plate attached to that. With line, the spool was way more massive than the Revos. It didn't cast light baits anywhere near as well as the Revo, and cast the heaviest bait I used only as well.

As far as the braking goes. the Patriarch uses the exact same brake as the Elite. It is a good brake, but its fool proof. In that anyone can set it for backlash free casting. It's especially good for those who can't or don't learn to use one brake or the other. I think if you fish seriously, you'll outgrow the Patriasrch brake and yearn for something that, while perhaps a little more finicky, will allow for better over all performance. Why not start out with the better reel and learn to use it right off?

Go with the STX.

Couldn't have said it better myself, LOL!!!!!!

Fish seriously? LOL       I guess Skeet Reese isn't fishing seriously. He had a choice between the 2 braking systems when he designed his reel for Garcia and chose the centrifugal brakes.

This isn't a violin we're playing here, it's a fishing reel and the STX is no Stradivarius.

If you set the STX up to compensate for the lack of centrifugal brakes, you wind up turning the spool tension control up higher than you would with other reels. Now the STX has more tension on the spool shaft ends during the entire cast vs the Patriarch.

*** for tat.

[Micro]

Cart, don't take it personally. Who cares what Skeet Reese chose. Some people like centrifugal, some people like magnetic. Some people need both.

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If you set the STX up to compensate for the lack of centrifugal brakes, you wind up turning the spool tension control up higher than you would with other reels. Now the STX has more tension on the spool shaft ends during the entire cast vs the Patriarch.

A great, big, fat, slobbering "so what."   Like I said, the vast majority of people like their STXs and have learned to use them.  A very, very few never took the time or never got the hang of it.  Just because you're one of them doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the reel.

[cart7t]

When you were 7 years old I was throwing my first Ambassadeur round reel.  I'm pretty certain I've figured out how to throw both in those 35 years.  I'm also pretty certain Skeet took the time to personally spend lots of hands on casting time with both types of brakes.  Since he's a pro who earns his living fishing and his equipment needs to be not only reliable, user friendly and able to perform with a variety of baits under many conditions with different types of line, I'd say his choice speaks volumes about the two systems.

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"Need both"?

  ;D

In the case of the STX, just one that worked worth a d**n would be a welcome addition.  

[Micro]

When I was 7 years old, I was throwing an Ambassadeur round reel. I grew up on them.

Now, get yourself another STX, but this time, try and learn to use it. Claiming that it's crap in light of the huge majority of inexperienced people that have learned to use it well just sounds silly.

And, BTW, Skeet Reese isn't the only Abu pro, and isn't the only Abu pro to have won a Classic. IIRC, Duckett is a winner using the STX.

I'm trying to remember a winner using the Patriarch. Maybe you can help me, since all that seems important.

[DINK WHISPERER]

I see somebody really likes Mr. Skeet!!!!!!!!

[cart7t]

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When I was 7 years old, I was throwing an Ambassadeur round reel. I grew up on them.

Now, get yourself another STX, but this time, try and learn to use it. Claiming that it's crap in light of the huge majority of inexperienced people that have learned to use it well just sounds silly.

And, BTW, Skeet Reese isn't the only Abu pro, and isn't the only Abu pro to have won a Classic. IIRC, Duckett is a winner using the STX.

I'm trying to remember a winner using the Patriarch. Maybe you can help me, since all that seems important.

I have never said the SX, STX or Premier were crap.  Quite the contrary, both of those reels do lots of things very right and had there been a better braking system on them I probably would've never sold them nor even tried another brand reel.

[dodgeguy]

THE JOHHNY MORRIS IS FAR FROM THE SAME REEL AS THE PATRIARCH.THE PATRIARCH IS BUILT ON A REVO FRAME AND IS SMALLER THAN THE MORRIS REEL.oops,sorry about the caps!!!they are both nice but i like the smaller frame of the patriarch /revo reels better.

[rubba bubba]

If the centrifugal brake is so important, why don't people compare the Revo S to the Patriarch?  Is it not "blingy" enough?  I have 4 Revo S's and am not sure why someone would want an STX - I don't ever have to adjust anything to cast it without problems, regardless of the conditions.  I even have the tension set very light so that the bait drops much faster than you would traditionally want.

So I'm curious what does the Patriarch offer over the S?  What does the STX offer over the S?

[I Love BassResource]

The STX is a great reel, for me it was simply too finicky for my tastes, end of story. I much prefer the s/sx/winch over the STX version. I have never tried a Patriarch, so I can't make a worthwhile comment on this reel.

I have no idea why people get so personal about another users opinion of a piece of hardware. The STX is no doubt a very fine reel, if it was as horrible as "I" make it sound, Abu would have long pulled the reel from store shelves. In saying that, I also think its presumptuous for anyone to make broad assumptions about people who like or dislike the reel.

I highly doubt any/many users will "outgrow" any of today's top of the line reels.

I also don't think any user on this board can accurately assume the number or specific types of complaints users have against any type of reel. Much less accurately predict the number of people who have learned to "properly use" a reel.

At the end of the day, use what you like and prefer, the fish sure won't have a problem with the label stamped on the side.

[KYntucky Warmouth]

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If the centrifugal brake is so important, why don't people compare the Revo S to the Patriarch? Is it not "blingy" enough? I have 4 Revo S's and am not sure why someone would want an STX - I don't ever have to adjust anything to cast it without problems, regardless of the conditions. I even have the tension set very light so that the bait drops much faster than you would traditionally want.

So I'm curious what does the Patriarch offer over the S? What does the STX offer over the S?

The original question was comparing the two because he already had some STX's and was looking for a different reel.  This has nothing to do with the S reels.  He was wanting a comparison of the two reels in the title and I personally think that we left that comparison between pages somewhere.  I'm sure the S is good reel, if I were to buy a revo that is where I would start.

[cart7t]

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If the centrifugal brake is so important, why don't people compare the Revo S to the Patriarch? Is it not "blingy" enough? I have 4 Revo S's and am not sure why someone would want an STX - I don't ever have to adjust anything to cast it without problems, regardless of the conditions. I even have the tension set very light so that the bait drops much faster than you would traditionally want.

So I'm curious what does the Patriarch offer over the S? What does the STX offer over the S?

I've still got 2 S reels.  Great reels.  At one Point I was just going to go with all S reels and swap out gear sets if I needed a cranker or a 7.1 reel.  I fished a JM reel and liked the feel of the Titanium finish.  The dual braking was merely an added bonus.  The Patriarch is a Revo sized version of the Morris reels.  

[soccplayer07]

I went w/ the Patriarch 71wlp. Should be here in a few days. Thank you to all who posted thoughts/opinions. I got a great deal on it so I have nothing to loose!

[KYntucky Warmouth]

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I went w/ the Patriarch 71wlp. Should be here in a few days. Thank you to all who posted thoughts/opinions. I got a great deal on it so I have nothing to loose!

I don't think you'll have any regrets with the reel.  I too recently ordered a 71WLP.  

[rubba bubba]

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The original question was comparing the two because he already had some STX's and was looking for a different reel. This has nothing to do with the S reels. He was wanting a comparison of the two reels in the title and I personally think that we left that comparison between pages somewhere. I'm sure the S is good reel, if I were to buy a revo that is where I would start.

Yes, but then the main gripe against the STX was the lack of a centrifugal break. My point is, if that's so important than why isn't anyone comparing the S to the Patriarch? My guess is since the cost isn't the same, it thus must not be in the same class. And it's not just this thread I am noticing this in.

Note, I'd recommend variety just for the fun of it.  The OP had a few STX's, why not try something different?  Myself, I couldn't justify the cost of baitcasters pricier than the S due it's stellar performance - it isn't weak in anything to warrant spending up.  If the Patriarch were in the same price range, I'd have one just to compare and the fun of it being different.

[cart7t]

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The original question was comparing the two because he already had some STX's and was looking for a different reel. This has nothing to do with the S reels. He was wanting a comparison of the two reels in the title and I personally think that we left that comparison between pages somewhere. I'm sure the S is good reel, if I were to buy a revo that is where I would start.

Yes, but then the main gripe against the STX was the lack of a centrifugal break. My point is, if that's so important than why isn't anyone comparing the S to the Patriarch? My guess is since the cost isn't the same, it thus must not be in the same class. And it's not just this thread I am noticing this in.

Note, I'd recommend variety just for the fun of it. The OP had a few STX's, why not try something different? Myself, I couldn't justify the cost of baitcasters pricier than the S due it's stellar performance - it isn't weak in anything to warrant spending up. If the Patriarch were in the same price range, I'd have one just to compare and the fun of it being different.

IMO, price wise, the Revo S is easily the best value in fishing reels going right now.  I'm not talking retail price but the normal going price you can find reels selling for if you shop around.  I also doubt I'd ever pay the $200 list price for a Patriarch.  I paid around $125 each for mine NIB.  If I had to choose, due strictly on price I would definitely get S reels.  Low initial price, other gear sets available, some blingy stuff is out there as well if you're into that stuff.  It does everything a reel needs to do, has great drag, nice ergonomics and is solid as a rock.  

[rubba bubba]

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IMO, price wise, the Revo S is easily the best value in fishing reels going right now.

This is my point - throw price out the window completely: what baitcasters outperform the S and why? I'm sure there must be some, so then one would need to quantify the amount of improvement and then compare that to the price delta. I've tried a few other high end casters and I haven't found any that outperform the S; they perform as well, just not better.  I think if the price had come out as much higher, people then would compare it head to head to the pricier reels. You'll notice people only compare reels that are similar in price....

A Patriarch for $125 sounds like a smoking deal and close enough to the S to get one for variety. If you come across another deal like that, PM me instantly.

[firefightn15]

Ebay.  $130-140 shipped  8-)

[KYntucky Warmouth]

The price is on eBay is what drew me into the Patriarch.  I was thinking about the revo S at the time, because of the centrifugal brake, buddy had an SX and wasn't that great with it, but I ran across a few auctions and ended up buying two 64LP and 64WLP, sold the WLP to the buddy who had and sold the SX, what was I thinking?  I now have a third coming and he has two, don't think we paid or 150 for one.