Spinning reel not "spooling"??

[twitchfish]

I am using #8 line on a Sedona Spinning reel.  Used KVD Line&Lure while putting line on initially and since.  Paid attention to all of the rules for filling line on reel with regard to line twist. Put this reel on MOJO "Wacky Style" rod and went fishing.

Not one time, when reeling after casts, did line go back on the spool with any tension or level line lay.  Was also getting a litlle twist. After advise from you folks, I ALWAYS close the bail by hand. Was fishing a Senko with a 1/16th bullet weight free on the line.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I really want this to be my finesse rig, but this problem has me second guessing my setup and choice.

As always, thank you very much for you advise and guidance - Twitch

[bilgerat]

Are you using braid or mono ?

Braid will spin on a spool if you don't put mono on first.

Is your drag set properly ?

What size reel ? 8# mono can be a little heavy on smaller size reels.

What brand of line are you using ? Some lines sacrafice a little managability for strength. For example, Trilene XT (extra tough) handles a bit differently than Trilene XL (extra limp)

We need more details.

[twitchfish]

Thanks.

I am sure my drag is not set properly.  It seems pretty soft.  Have not had a fish on yet to really tell, but sure it needs more most likely.

It is a 2500 FD reel with 8#CXX spooled on it.

It does not lay the line evenly on the spool when reeling.  Seems to lay better if I tun the line back through my fingers.

Thanks again - Twitch

BTW, how do I check and how much should I have in regard to drag??

[SirSnookalot]

Try this..no guarantee, but always works for me.

strip the line off the spool and put it back on the mg spool. then soak the line in the sink med hot water for about 6-8-10 minutes. This should take out the "coil". When you go to spool the line on the reel, tighten your drag so it takes effort to pullout. Spool the reel holding the line tightly, may burn a bit, when your done back the drag down, loose drag is good for storage too.

For my money hot water works better than line conditioner and it's free.

If this fails try 6# or go to 8 or 10# braid or have the reel professionally spooled.

can't imagine that the reel itself is a problem, you have very decent reel, but you never know, maybe the store will give you an exchange if it's fairly new.

As far as drag while your fishing, depends on how you set the hook. If you set it hard stronger drag. I don't set hooks hard so I use a lighter drag. The scientific way is 1/3 of the line breaking strength 8 divided by 3 = about 2.5 lbs, but you need spring scale. After a few fish you will have the instinct for it.

[Marty]

Have you used this line before on your spinning equipment? I've never used this brand, but this particular line is described as extra strong, possibly similar to Trilene XT. At any rate, some experts advise against using these lines on spinning because they're generally stiffer than others. Possibly a more spinning-friendly line would yield better results?

[bowtech_182]

I have a 2500 Shimano reel with 6 lb CXX on it that does good. Personally  I would NOT use 8lb CXX on a spinning reel that size.

[Wayne P.]

I wouldn't advise you to use any size CXX on a spinning reel of any size.

[twitchfish]

Stripped the CXX off the reel.  Had a partial spool of 6# Suffix (Red Box??) that i spooled on the reel.  Problem seems to be resolved.  It amazes me how helpful you all are, and also how finicky a simple spinning reel will be.

Thanks again - Twitch

[SirSnookalot]

Glad you are back in action.

If you are getting a line twist, float your line behind a boat or let line out in river current or what I do let it float out at an ocean inlet with no weight, reel back tightly thru fingers.

If those are not available try tying a snap swivel to a fence, walkout the line, the reel back tightly thru the fingers........or buy braid and never have to deal with.

[burleytog]

6 and 8 lb. CXX are fine on spinning tackle.

[SWMIBASSER]

6 and 8 lb. CXX are fine on spinning tackle.

[twitchfish]

AAAAAAARRRRGG!!

6# Suffix was behaving well on this Shimano/Mojo Wacky Style set-up.  Got soft water, wacky rigged (more weightless texas rig) a nice green Senko and broke off 2 happy little toads the first day.  Palomar knots, 2/0 hooks fishing weightless. Neither fish was probably 1 1/2# and broke right as I lifted them out of the water.

Looking at the line, seemed to have broken before the knot, as there was no "memory" left at the end of the line. I don't think it's a drag issue, because the fight was over.  Certainly 6# test on this set-up should be sufficient, no?

Thanks again - Twitch

[roadwarrior]

Throw away the line and buy P-Line CXX #6, Gamma #8

or Yo-Zuri Hybrid #6 (original formula or Ultra Soft). Set

you drag at 2.5 lbs, measured with a scale or by puting a

2.5 lb weight in a plastic grocery bag.  Spool your line and

tie the bag on. GENTLY lift the weight off the floor and

adjust the drag to where it just barely releases.

You should never have your line broken by a 1 1/2 lb fish.

8-)

[J Francho]

Honestly, I can't see changing out the line (unless he's got a bad batch) would fix this.  Suffix mono is great line, I've landed many a 10#+ steelhead with it this winter, and last, using 4, 6, and 8# lines.  There has to be something going on here.

The lines roadwarrior recommended are definitely all great upgrades over Suffix for bass fishing, but I'd check EVERYTHING out before re spooling.  Check the guide rings with a cotton ball for nicks, same with the blank.  Check you knots - heck, I'd do the weight test on the knots themselves, with 6# mono they should be able to handle 5# worth of weight.

Something is amiss here - I just can't see losing consecutive fish of that size to line failure.  Bass fishing is frustrating enough when all your equipment works right

[roadwarrior]

Honestly, I can't see changing out the line (unless he's got a bad batch) would fix this. Suffix mono is great line, I've landed many a 10#+ steelhead with it this winter, and last, using 4, 6, and 8# lines. There has to be something going on here.

The lines roadwarrior recommended are definitely all great upgrades over Suffix for bass fishing, but I'd check EVERYTHING out before re spooling. Check the guide rings with a cotton ball for nicks, same with the blank. Check you knots - heck, I'd do the weight test on the knots themselves, with 6# mono they should be able to handle 5# worth of weight.

Something is amiss here - I just can't see losing consecutive fish of that size to line failure. Bass fishing is frustrating enough when all your equipment works right

That's better advice than mine...Changing line might help, but there

has to be another problem.

[flechero]

AAAAAAARRRRGG!!

6# Suffix was behaving well on this Shimano/Mojo Wacky Style set-up. Got soft water, wacky rigged (more weightless texas rig) a nice green Senko and broke off 2 happy little toads the first day. Palomar knots, 2/0 hooks fishing weightless. Neither fish was probably 1 1/2# and broke right as I lifted them out of the water.

Looking at the line, seemed to have broken before the knot, as there was no "memory" left at the end of the line. I don't think it's a drag issue, because the fight was over. Certainly 6# test on this set-up should be sufficient, no?

Thanks again - Twitch

As stated something went wrong.  I'm inclined to think it was either a cut in the line (possible cause by some cover) or something J Franco pointed out.

Also I wouldn't usually lift fish by the line.  Earlier in my life, I broke a lot of 4-6 lb fish off trying to lift them (even on #14 and #17 XT).  

Take a 6' piece of your line and tie on a 2 lb weight...  put a glove on your hand and try picking up the weight and bounce it a little.  There is a huge difference between handling 6 lbs of pressure and handling a couple pounds jerked up into the air. (which quickly becomes several times it's own weight in pressure.)

[flechero]

Forgot to mention......

with spinning gear- troll your line regularly to eliminate twist and to help it behave better.

[twitchfish]

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Will be checking all guides and drag. Will als run the line through my fingers for nicks.  I will also not be lifting any more fish by the line, that was an awesome point. I am a taller guy and I always bankfish, so will start bending myself over.

Thanks again - Twitch :-[

[done]

You guys should sticky post this thread. I cannot tell you how many times I or folks around me have had issues with line misbehaving on a spinning reel.

Great stuff guys and good question twitchfish.

[J Francho]

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Will be checking all guides and drag. Will als run the line through my fingers for nicks. I will also not be lifting any more fish by the line, that was an awesome point. I am a taller guy and I always bankfish, so will start bending myself over.

Thanks again - Twitch :-[

I'm not a big fan of landing nets, but for you, it may be the ticket.  You'd want one with a 20-24" opening, rubber or knotless netting, and a long enough handle to make it easy for you.

The technique for landing it yourself with a net is to basically get the fish to within 6' of the rod tip.  point the rod at the fish, holding it at the reel, or behind.  lower the net into the water, and gently lift the rod, gently guiding the fish into the net.  Then just lift the net.  Very little bending over this way.

Make sure you drag is set to 1/3 the actual break strength of the line, so if a big fish is still "green" and decides to take off again, you won't lose it.

Good luck