Super User J Francho Posted January 12, 2009 Super User Posted January 12, 2009 I guess if I want the same oils and grease that my Daiwas came lubed with, I should call Daiwa and order it. I'd guess it's probably best to stick with their stuff, at least until the warranty runs out. Get their grease, and the TD-Z oil for the bearings. Can't go wrong with that combo. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted January 12, 2009 Super User Posted January 12, 2009 Reel Mech warned against using Hot Sauce, I will go with him! I use the ABU oil and grease also. I've got Hot Sauce in a Daiwa for about a year. I've also used it in a couple of Quantums. I've seen no negative effects other than it actually stains brass gearing. It is fast stuff, and easy to apply since its RED. At the recommendation of a qualified reel mechanic and tech I started using Hot Sauce and have to say I am impressed. I get 180+ days a year on the water and have been using Hot Sauce oil and grease on my Quantum and Revo reels with no problems at all. In fact, the first thing I do when I buy a new reel is to take it apart and relube it with Hot Sauce. It holds up in hot and cold weather and especially under the stress of throwing swimbaits and crankbaits all day long. I get out about the same, and you don't have to tell me. I just don't like the staining aspect. Otherwise, it works great. iF YOU WOULD WASH YOUR HANDS BEFORE GOING TO THE jOHN, THIS MIGHT NOT BE SUCH AN ISSUE! Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 12, 2009 Super User Posted January 12, 2009 Ha ha! Fix your caps lock old man. Quote
UBA Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 I like the shimano grease and oil for my baitcasters and superlube grease for my spinning reels. Quote
Super User .ghoti. Posted January 13, 2009 Super User Posted January 13, 2009 I've been cleaning and re-lubing my reels for a long time. After all this time, using almost every kind of lube available, what I'll say is, they all work just fine. What's important is getting the parts clean first. Doesn't matter what kind of oil you put in a bearing if it still has some crud and corruption in it. What's also important is regular cleaning. Once every three years ain't enough. Unless, of course, you only fish a couple times a year. I used to follow the "standard" wisdom; Shimano lube for Shimano reels, Daiwa lube for Daiwa reels and Hot Sauce for Quantums. I decided that was silly, and just a bit anal, so I went with one brand for everything. What I wanted was a low viscosity oil for bearings, a "sticky" grease that would stay where I put it, and to be available off-the-shelf. For me, that turned out to be Ardent Reel Butter oil and grease. I have no problem with Hot Sauce in terms of performance. It does a good job, as far as I ever noticed. But it does stain everything it touches. Get it under you fingernails, and it's there a while. Get it on your clothes, and it's there for a long time. Get it on the wife's new tablecloth, and domestic tranquility is lost. Quote
lubina Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 I also take care of mine, 90 % Daiwas. My best results over the past 3-4 years have been with RM Golden Lithium Grease and oil ( Shimano ). For ceramic bearings I found TG Rocket Fuel works best. Daiwa red is great for longer casting but doesn't last much. Quote
Super User Jimzee Posted January 13, 2009 Super User Posted January 13, 2009 Get it on the wife's new tablecloth, and domestic tranquility is lost. I have to agree with this 100% ;D Quote
the real man Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 OILS AINT OILS TRY BALLISTOL THE UNIVERSAL OIL,WORLDS MOST USEFUL TECHNICAL LUBRICANT PRODUCED BY FW KLEVER GmbH, GERMANY I HAVE USED THIS ON ALL MAKES AND MODELS FOUND IT TO BE VERY GOOD BOTH ON BEARINGS AND ON THE FRAME SIDE PLATES ETC ONLY OIL I HAVE USED PAST 5 YEARS GIVE IT A TRY RGDS Quote
Super User Grey Wolf Posted January 27, 2009 Super User Posted January 27, 2009 Welcome aboard. Introduce your self and give us some back ground. Quote
Bantam1 Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Normally I stay out of topics like this but I will give our opinion. We recommend our lubricants for our reels. Every manufacturer makes their own lubricants for their reels as well. I suggest that you use Brand X grease/oil for Brand X reels. Use our lubricants for our reels. We spent a lot of money to develop the correct lubricants that macth our expectations for the reels. They have to deliver consistent performance with changes in temperature. They also need to prevent corrosion and protect the metals used from wear. I'm sure all the manufacturers will tell you the same thing. We believe that our lubricants are perfect for our reels. We offer a few different styles for different reel models such as spinning reels. Now there are some good aftermarket lubricants on the market. I just cannot endorse one over the other. I can say that some are too thick and will make the reel feel sluggish. Some will cause premature wear in our products. Some work very well and others just simply do not last long enough to make it worth using. We never deny a customer their warranty due to an improper lubrication. We will repair the reel one time for free and then educate the customer as to why the problem occured if it was due to the lubricants used. The situation brought up earlier in this post was denied at the dealer level and not by us : Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 27, 2009 Super User Posted January 27, 2009 Bantam, can you give some alternate recommendations of your products for extreme cold weather use? What I mean is, parts such as worm gears come factory lubed with grease, but this part usually performs better when a single drop of oil is used. Same for roller bearings. I know you have mentioned that what you use is an evolving science, but is there an optimal temperature range for certain lubrication aspects? It would be great to hear it from the horse's mouth, sop to speak, since a lot of us northern guys are using 300DSVs and Calcutta Bs for winter steelhead. Quote
Super User burleytog Posted January 27, 2009 Super User Posted January 27, 2009 OILS AINT OILS TRY BALLISTOL THE UNIVERSAL OIL,WORLDS MOST USEFUL TECHNICAL LUBRICANT PRODUCED BY FW KLEVER GmbH, GERMANY I HAVE USED THIS ON ALL MAKES AND MODELS FOUND IT TO BE VERY GOOD BOTH ON BEARINGS AND ON THE FRAME SIDE PLATES ETCONLY OIL I HAVE USED PAST 5 YEARS GIVE IT A TRY RGDS Why are you yelling? Quote
Super User Muddy Posted January 27, 2009 Super User Posted January 27, 2009 He is just being considerate of the Team Depends Members, we have trouble reading the small print : Quote
Bantam1 Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Bantam, can you give some alternate recommendations of your products for extreme cold weather use? What I mean is, parts such as worm gears come factory lubed with grease, but this part usually performs better when a single drop of oil is used. Same for roller bearings. I know you have mentioned that what you use is an evolving science, but is there an optimal temperature range for certain lubrication aspects? It would be great to hear it from the horse's mouth, sop to speak, since a lot of us northern guys are using 300DSVs and Calcutta Bs for winter steelhead. We developed a grease called Perma Lube for the spinning reels. From what I can tell it appears to be silicone based. I am not 100% positive that it is but just going from past experience from the auto repair industry. This grease will not freeze or thicken in cold weather. I know our drag grease can get thick in extreme cold weather, but it doesn't seem to hinder the performance on casting reels like it does a spinning reel. This is not a grease to use on the drag washers as it does not perform well in that application. It is solely for the gears. When I used to repair reels here I used the drag grease on the worm shaft until we came up with Perma Lube (spinning only). The grease provided better protection under severe loads than the oil in my findings. This is now what we use in all the spinning reels from the factory and in our repair department. For baitcast reels I used oil on the worm gear as it does not see the same pressure as the spinning reel worm shaft will see. There is a lot more weight on this shaft because of the spool and wet line. As far as optimal temperature ranges? Well I do not have the specific data. I do know that the Perma Lube works in all temperatures that we are likely to fish in and what the reel will operate in. The drag grease excells in high temperatures and down to about 30 degrees before it becomes thick. Roller bearings are touchy with lubrication. They need a minimal amount to prevent corrosion and to provide smooth operation. Too much and the rollers will slip. The repair guys actually mix thier lubricant using drag grease with our oil to make the perfect blend. Its taken years to develop this blend and we do not sell it. The ratio is about 100:1 oil to grease. Quote
jignfule Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Why is Shimano's lub so hard to find? I've never seen any at BassPro, Cabelas, Sportmans Warehouse, Joe's, ??? Where do you get it ?? Do you have to go through Shimano??? Quote
Bantam1 Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Its a phone call away 877-577-0600. We also do not have any cool names for the lubricants like everyone else. Maybe we should call it Sake Grease or Katana Oil then people would stock it. Tackle Warehouse also sells it http://www.***.com/descpage-SHRG.html Quote
guitarkid Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I used the Bones Bearing speed cream that I had from my skateboard bearings, I thought it worked good, but very thin. I also used White Lithium Grease on the gears. Did this affect it or is it ok. If not it was kind of a "junk" reel anyways so... uuumm -gk Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted January 28, 2009 Super User Posted January 28, 2009 One member was about to get burnt on that very recently. Shimano ( I think it was ) denied his warranty because he used "Hot sauce". I had the identical expierence from Shimano, my warranty was voided for using a brand other than theirs. At present I'm using corosion x, simply the best I have ever used. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted January 28, 2009 Super User Posted January 28, 2009 I use multipoly-dura-teflon-denatured-deionized-hexacarbonic-mentolated-supracolgenic-bilateral Lubrication, dipensed from high capaicty and multivelocity capable spray containers!! ABU OIL AND GREASE, works for years, and no big deal. Another way to charge fisherman 50 bucks for something 5 bucks can take care of : When I change lines I give each reel a shot of REEL MAGIC, keeps em clean longer and adds a little Zip I never use any line treatment as I never had line that got sick, : Quote
ROCbass Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Normally I stay out of topics like this but I will give our opinion. We recommend our lubricants for our reels. Every manufacturer makes their own lubricants for their reels as well. I suggest that you use Brand X grease/oil for Brand X reels. Use our lubricants for our reels. We spent a lot of money to develop the correct lubricants that macth our expectations for the reels. They have to deliver consistent performance with changes in temperature. They also need to prevent corrosion and protect the metals used from wear. I'm sure all the manufacturers will tell you the same thing. We believe that our lubricants are perfect for our reels. We offer a few different styles for different reel models such as spinning reels. Now there are some good aftermarket lubricants on the market. I just cannot endorse one over the other. I can say that some are too thick and will make the reel feel sluggish. Some will cause premature wear in our products. Some work very well and others just simply do not last long enough to make it worth using. We never deny a customer their warranty due to an improper lubrication. We will repair the reel one time for free and then educate the customer as to why the problem occured if it was due to the lubricants used. The situation brought up earlier in this post was denied at the dealer level and not by us : Excuse me for playing devil's advocate here, but I have a question that I am curious about. If reel company x and reel company y both build reels of similar quality with similar tolerances out of similar materials (i.e. brass gears, SS bearings), What can possibly be so different that company x's lubes will cause problems in company y's reels and vice versa? Even if company x makes their lube specifically with their reels in mind, the reel itself is similar to a brand y reel, so it seems to me the lubes should also be similar. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted January 29, 2009 Super User Posted January 29, 2009 OH, Oh x and y, we are now moving this thread to the ALGEBRA section ;D Quote
Super User KYntucky Warmouth Posted January 31, 2009 Super User Posted January 31, 2009 Reel Mech warned against using Hot Sauce, I will go with him! I use the ABU oil and grease also. I've got Hot Sauce in a Daiwa for about a year. I've also used it in a couple of Quantums. I've seen no negative effects other than it actually stains brass gearing. It is fast stuff, and easy to apply since its RED. I've found better products, some are more suited to high end bearings, and offer no gain on typical OEM bearings. Its always easiest to stick with Shimano for Shimano, Daiwa for Daiwa, etc. but one weird thing - I've never seen a Quantum come off the shelf with Hot Sauce in it. I wonder why? My Energy was sauced in box Quote
hawgchaser Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 I use hot sauce on all of my reels regardless of brand. Quote
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