Pantera61 Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 I will argue that magnetic brakes were not introduced for the beginning angler. They were, at the time, a technological advance in baitcasting reels. All of the top of the line baitcasters from Daiwa, Shimano and Abu (the major players in the baitcast game at the time) had magnetic brakes. The less expensive reels from these same three manufacturers had basic centrifugal brakes; non-adjustable two pin brakes. If a change in the braking system to inhibit overruns means it is for the beginning angler, the it follows that the Shimano digital control reels of today would be the ultimate beginner's reels. I don't buy it. well, magnetic brakes were marketed as ease of use for the beginner.
jesse893 Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 you take the side plate off , then you well see about six little pins that u can pull out or push in, you pull them out to lessen the force and push them in to strengthen the force applied to the spool
Super User Micro Posted October 23, 2008 Super User Posted October 23, 2008 I posted this last week on Senko77's thread in the Flea Market:After the discussion with Micro, I decided to follow his instructions precisely and fish the reel exclusively over the Columbus Day weekend (three days). I swapped out a CTE200GT on my Loomis MBR844C and dedicated this rig solely to fishing a 1/2 oz jig and trailer, about 3/4 oz total weight. Results: Worked well, but still blew itself up twice. I'm going to stick with this set-up until next spring. By then I will either like the STX or get rid of it. 8-) Here's my prediction: No matter how it turns out for you, you'll be back in the spring to declare that the Revo is nothing more than a backlash bomb and inferior to anything and everything that carries a Shimano tag.
Super User roadwarrior Posted October 23, 2008 Super User Posted October 23, 2008 Nope... Since dedicating the reel to a specific function (jig fishing), I have not had a single backlash of any significance. The new combination, STX saddled to my MBR844C is a match made in heaven! The reel balances perfectly, the low profile is comfortable and the overall combination is beautiful. After only twelve hours or so of fishing this rod & reel for the past two weeks, I declare it a winner! In addition to being happy with the STX, I can also report that it performed perfectly under stess. Since I didn't have a scale or camera, I'd estimated my big fish recently was somewhere around 22 lbs 4 oz... Well, maybe not, but it was 24" long and fatter than me! So Micro, for the record...I'm on board as long as I don't have to make major adjustments to the reel, just minor tweaks. However, I still think the magnetic brakes are a major drawback for those fishing lures with different weights or profiles. I would not buy another STX or recommend this reel to anyone considering a purchase. 8-)
Super User .ghoti. Posted October 23, 2008 Super User Posted October 23, 2008 I would not buy another STX or recommend this reel to anyone considering a purchase. 8-) Makes me glad I just bought another one. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Super User cart7t Posted October 24, 2008 Super User Posted October 24, 2008 Nope...Since dedicating the reel to a specific function (jig fishing), I have not had a single backlash of any significance. The new combination, STX saddled to my MBR844C is a match made in heaven! The reel balances perfectly, the low profile is comfortable and the overall combination is beautiful. After only twelve hours or so of fishing this rod & reel for the past two weeks, I declare it a winner! In addition to being happy with the STX, I can also report that it performed perfectly under stess. Since I didn't have a scale or camera, I'd estimated my big fish recently was somewhere around 22 lbs 4 oz... Well, maybe not, but it was 24" long and fatter than me! So Micro, for the record...I'm on board as long as I don't have to make major adjustments to the reel, just minor tweaks. However, I still think the magnetic brakes are a major drawback for those fishing lures with different weights or profiles. I would not buy another STX or recommend this reel to anyone considering a purchase. 8-) That's the reason I dislike the reels. Last weekend I was throwing Strike Kings Little Mr. Money 1/4oz spinnerbaits. I was using Rapala tough line, something similar to Trilenes XT though a little limper. It was windy. Had I been tossing that setup with my old SC or the STX reel it would have been a nightmare. Constant backlashes as the stiffer line would've balled up on the spool during a cast into the wind with the smaller 1/4oz bait. With the Pflueger Patriarch, there were no problems. I could've probably done the same using a Revo S. Those reels (SX & STX) are just too tweaky for me and the mag adjustment is rather ineffective when you're dealing with extremes. Great reels with the right line, rod and bait. Otherwise they're more hassle than they're worth and when I go out onto the water the fishing reel is supposed to work for me, not the other way around. BTW, I was incorrect on the mag braking. Daiwa's V mag system though is radically different than Garcia, or just about anybody elses. The Daiwa system is an active system that is variable acting upon the spool as it spins differently during the cast. It moves without input from the angler. The Garcia system, like most, is a passive system with a fixed brake that's variable only when the control is adjusted. It has no other way to interact with the spool.
plastic ninja Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 If the VBS system is so far ahead of mag brakes, why are so many retailers still trying to unload the silver curados at $199? I can get a revo sx for $149.00 that alone turns me away from a shimano. If I was on a budget a revo s still costs less than a citica. Also the patriarch has dual braking which means you waste more time pulling the side plate,then adjusting the mag.
Super User cart7t Posted October 24, 2008 Super User Posted October 24, 2008 If the VBS system is so far ahead of mag brakes, why are so many retailers still trying to unload the silver curados at $199? I can get a revo sx for $149.00 that alone turns me away from a shimano. If I was on a budget a revo s still costs less than a citica. Also the patriarch has dual braking which means you waste more time pulling the side plate,then adjusting the mag. The D version Curado's and Citica's weren't big sellers (using Shimano standards) because of the VBS braking, it was probably more due to the introduction of the Revo's and their size vs. line capacity. The D version line capacity seemed to be the downfall of the D. The Revo reels IMO, have an ideal line capacity for a baitcaster along with a slimmer, lower profile. If you wanted the same line capacity in a D reel, you had to go to the 200 series which was a bigger, bulkier reel than the Revo. The 100 series were comparable to the Revo size wise but they lacked the line capacity. As far as having to pull the side plate off to adjust the centrifugal brakes? I normally take any cent. brake reel and set 2 pins on, I rarely have to change that. Once I have that set, the rest is on thumb control and minor tweaks to the spool tension. In the case of mag brakes, I don't use them often and on the dual brake reels like the Patriarch or Johnny Morris, have them set from a 0 -2 position. If I'm throwing a higher profile lure that tends to flutter during the cast or I'm throwing into heavy winds, I'll turn the mag braking up to compensate. In fact, you can set the dual brake reels to be nearly thumb off during the cast without backlash. Of course, you'll sacrifice some casting distance doing so.
Super User Micro Posted October 24, 2008 Super User Posted October 24, 2008 After only twelve hours or so of fishing this rod & reel for the past two weeks, I declare it a winner! ,....., I would not buy another STX or recommend this reel to anyone considering a purchase. Wow, that's as backhanded a compliment as I've ever read.
Super User Micro Posted October 24, 2008 Super User Posted October 24, 2008 Cart, I think your continued rant has lost all it's steam. First you went on and on about mag brakes being for beginners. You said ONLY Abu used them. When someone pointed out that Daiwa had them, too, you came up with some new way to explain your position - "the Daiwa's brake is differnent. Never mind, Cart, that the purpose is exactly the same as the Abu's, to decelerate the spool. But I don't really care about the Daiwa. I'm wondering about your newest choice. You've yet to acknowledge, or attempt to explain, why, when you hate the brake on the Revo, you bought a reel with EXACTLY the same type of magnetic brake. The mag brake on the Patriach ISN'T like the Daiwa's brake, it's like the Revo's. Exatly like the Revo's. Now, Cart, if that brake is as worthless as you say, why did you switch to a reel with with precisely the same brake? Why didn't you simply stick to a reel with just a centrifugal brake?? (<<two questions marks, since I've asked twice). Why did you swith to a reel with all the extra weight of a worthless braking system? This is the comment that gets me, though... I normally take any cent. brake reel and set 2 pins on, I rarely have to change that. When I fished with Curados, I rarely changed the setting from two pins, either. NOT because it didn't need it, but rather because taking a sidelplate off and pushing little pins on and of with sticky, fishy hands, it a PITA.
booneangler Posted October 24, 2008 Author Posted October 24, 2008 so should you take the side plate off and push some of them in? I really dont know about this?
Super User roadwarrior Posted October 24, 2008 Super User Posted October 24, 2008 After only twelve hours or so of fishing this rod & reel for the past two weeks, I declare it a winner! ,....., I would not buy another STX or recommend this reel to anyone considering a purchase. Wow, that's as backhanded a compliment as I've ever read. I simpy mean I found a way to fit a square peg into a round hole. 8-)
Super User cart7t Posted October 24, 2008 Super User Posted October 24, 2008 Cart, I think your continued rant has lost all it's steam. First you went on and on about mag brakes being for beginners. You said ONLY Abu used them. When someone pointed out that Daiwa had them, too, you came up with some new way to explain your position - "the Daiwa's brake is differnent. Never mind, Cart, that the purpose is exactly the same as the Abu's, to decelerate the spool. Daiwa's mag brake is different. Garcia's is fixed and works against the reel speed constantly, Daiwa's V system moves during the cast only presenting itself when it's needed. But I don't really care about the Daiwa. I'm wondering about your newest choice. You've yet to acknowledge, or attempt to explain, why, when you hate the brake on the Revo, you bought a reel with EXACTLY the same type of magnetic brake. The mag brake on the Patriach ISN'T like the Daiwa's brake, it's like the Revo's. Exatly like the Revo's. No, it's not EXACTLY the same type of mag brake. If you disassemble either the Patriarch or the JM reel you'll see the mag brake is just like mag brakes used in the past, exposed magnets mounted on a cam plate that move closer to or further away from the spool end when the adjustment is turned. The SX, SC and STX have a mag brake similar to the old LP Garcia reel, the 4007LP. The magnets are covered by plastic and a metal plate moves exposing them more or less depending on the setting. The magnets themselves are fixed in relation to the distance to the spool end vs the others that aren't. I find the effect of the mag brake is greater with the old exposed style of brake vs the Revo Linear mag. Now, Cart, if that brake is as worthless as you say, why did you switch to a reel with with precisely the same brake? Why didn't you simply stick to a reel with just a centrifugal brake?? (<<two questions marks, since I've asked twice). Why did you swith to a reel with all the extra weight of a worthless braking system? As I stated, I didn't switch because of the mag brake, that is relatively meaningless to me. I bought some JM reels to resell but wound up trying them out. After 2 weekends of going from Revo S reels to the JM to the SX and the STX during the day I finally decided I was trying to like the last 2 reels but I wasn't enjoying using them. They were too much work and weren't worth the effort. Now I could've easily switched completely to the Revo S, but I also found the metal finish on the JM reels, and now the Patriarchs, more comfortable to fish with throughout the day. As for the weight? .7oz is far less important to me than the overall physical size of a reel when it's on the rod. The Patriarch and JM reels are virtually twin sons of different mothers to the Revo's. The mechanics are virtually identical as is the overall profile of the reels. BTW, I still have 2 Revo S reels and will continue to use them. They're great reels and would highly recommend them to anyone. Let me state this though. Had I been happier with the SX and STX reels in the first place I never would've even given thought to trying the JM reels out. The metal finish is nice but would'nt have swayed me had the 2 reel types been more user friendly. That said. I do like the Revo reels, all of them. They have a great feel on the rod. The line capacity is perfect, especially considering the overall size of the reel. The mechanics are solid. The drag is smooth and it's lb rating is impressive. It's just the overall user friendliness that comes up short with me. This is the comment that gets me, though...Quote: I normally take any cent. brake reel and set 2 pins on, I rarely have to change that. When I fished with Curados, I rarely changed the setting from two pins, either. NOT because it didn't need it, but rather because taking a sidelplate off and pushing little pins on and of with sticky, fishy hands, it a PITA. I'm not sure of your point? Talk about PITA, try removing the crank side plate on an old 5000 series Garcia round reel, pulling the brake blocks off the pins and installing new ones without dropping them while on the water.
Super User cart7t Posted October 24, 2008 Super User Posted October 24, 2008 so should you take the side plate off and push some of them in? I really dont know about this? Pushing the pins out away from center turns them on. Clicked in against the spool axis is off. I normally have 2 on and rarely adjust them again except in extreme cases. Then I would jump up to 3 on. I've never done more than that.
The_Natural Posted October 25, 2008 Posted October 25, 2008 so should you take the side plate off and push some of them in? I really dont know about this? Pushing the pins out away from center turns them on. Clicked in against the spool axis is off. I normally have 2 on and rarely adjust them again except in extreme cases. Then I would jump up to 3 on. I've never done more than that. Is your avatar a piece of moldy bread?
Super User Micro Posted October 25, 2008 Super User Posted October 25, 2008 No, his theory on the Revo's brake is a piece of moldy bread. His avatar is just a picture of it.
Super User roadwarrior Posted October 25, 2008 Super User Posted October 25, 2008 I have just got into these Revo SX. Now for some reason i can setup my Revo SX's to cast a Crankbait and the reel has a tendency to get loose line during the cast and wants to backlash. Now i have the Revo S's and they dont seem to do that. Is there something im doing wrong. Im no rookie on Baitcasters i just started getting into the Revo's but cant understand what needs to be done i can set the brake on the left side to max and it will still do it. I set the knob on the right so that the crankbait will fall slowly but it will still kinda back lash. What can i do to make this stop. Any ideas? The original question, now nearly a month old, has been addressed. Let's move on. Good night Irene.
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