Bassboss Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 What's the difference between Copolymer and mono filament? I'm looking for some good line other than braid and FC. So I'm looking and I see Copolymer and mono lines, I have no clue what the difference is! Is Copolymer FC coated mono? And is Copolymer very manageable? Quote
Super User islandbass Posted October 16, 2008 Super User Posted October 16, 2008 Mono means one or singular. Filament can be a strand or wire. Therefore monofilament means single or one strand. In terms of fishing line this means that the line is composed of a single monomer. Co-polymer. Co indicates or means two. Sometimes the joining of two things. For example co-worker - two workers working together. Co - uple - like a married couple. Or Co-operation. Polymer is the term to describe the joining of two or more monomers. If you remember from your algebra class, poly means many, as in polynomial or even polygamy (many wives). Therefore, you can gather from the term co-polymer that it is or should be the joining of two or more monomers. In the case of a typical copolymer line, you might see a monofilament, usually nylon, coated with say fluorocarbon. The joining of these two items is what allows it to be classified as a co-polymer. Now if you made a line from a single element that is not nylon, it could still be called a monofilament. It just wouldn't be made of nylon. If you for example combined three different types of nylon, that too could be called a copolymer because two or more elements were combined. Heck, you could even call it a tri-filament (tri, meaning three). Quote
Bassboss Posted October 16, 2008 Author Posted October 16, 2008 Mono means one or singular. Filament can be a strand or wire. Therefore monofilament means single or one strand. In terms of fishing line this means that the line is composed of a single monomer.Co-polymer. Co indicates or means two. Sometimes the joining of two things. For example co-worker - two workers working together. Co - uple - like a married couple. Or Co-operation. Polymer is the term to describe the joining of two or more monomers. If you remember from your algebra class, poly means many, as in polynomial or even polygamy (many wives). Therefore, you can gather from the term co-polymer that it is or should be the joining of two or more monomers. In the case of a typical copolymer line, you might see a monofilament, usually nylon, coated with say fluorocarbon. The joining of these two items is what allows it to be classified as a co-polymer. Now if you made a line from a single element that is not nylon, it could still be called a monofilament. It just wouldn't be made of nylon. If you for example combined three different types of nylon, that too could be called a copolymer because two or more elements were combined. Heck, you could even call it a tri-filament (tri, meaning three). Thanks a heap! So Even braided lines could be consider "copolymer" because it is joining more than one filament, right? What's your favorite Copolymer? I was looking and came a crossed "McCoy Mean Green Line" and "Vicious Lo-Visibility Green" used any of these? :-? Quote
bigfruits Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 copolymer is usually a flouro and mono (nylon) mix. yo-zuri ultra soft is recommended alot on here. i finally tried it and its great. i did use kvd line conditioner (another great product) on it, so i cant give an opinion on the line without it. its also a very cheap line. for spinning reels i suggest yo-zuri ultra soft 6#. for casting maybe 12#. they are stronger than the test rating. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0030185119279a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=yo+zuri&sort=all&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 16, 2008 Super User Posted October 16, 2008 copolymer is usually a flouro and mono (nylon) mix.Not usually. Its one type of copolymer. Yo-Zuri Hybrid, P-line CX, Halo, Fluoroclear, are a few that are either blended or coated with FC. There are many, many more copoly lines out there that contain no FC. Quote
Super User Wayne P. Posted October 16, 2008 Super User Posted October 16, 2008 Superlines are not co-polymer lines but are a braided or fused line of multiple strands of the same material (either Spectra, Dyneema or Kelvar). Quote
bigfruits Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 copolymer is usually a flouro and mono (nylon) mix.Not usually. Its one type of copolymer. Yo-Zuri Hybrid, P-line CX, Halo, Fluoroclear, are a few that are either blended or coated with FC. There are many, many more copoly lines out there that contain no FC. i thought flouro/nylon was the most common. what is the most common combo for copolymer lines? Quote
Bassboss Posted October 17, 2008 Author Posted October 17, 2008 copolymer is usually a flouro and mono (nylon) mix.yo-zuri ultra soft is recommended alot on here. i finally tried it and its great. i did use kvd line conditioner (another great product) on it, so i cant give an opinion on the line without it. its also a very cheap line. for spinning reels i suggest yo-zuri ultra soft 6#. for casting maybe 12#. they are stronger than the test rating. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0030185119279a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=yo+zuri&sort=all&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1 Ultra soft? If it is "Ultra soft" would that not meant hat it has very low abrasion resistance? Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 17, 2008 Super User Posted October 17, 2008 copolymer is usually a flouro and mono (nylon) mix.Not usually. Its one type of copolymer. Yo-Zuri Hybrid, P-line CX, Halo, Fluoroclear, are a few that are either blended or coated with FC. There are many, many more copoly lines out there that contain no FC. i thought flouro/nylon was the most common. what is the most common combo for copolymer lines? Proprietary copolymer. Just go look under "monofilament" in Bass Pro. Quote
Super User Wayne P. Posted October 17, 2008 Super User Posted October 17, 2008 BassBoss, "Ultra Soft" can mean anything or nothing without a qualifying statement of what it is compared to. Its just like "low stretch", "more abraision resistant", "low memory", "low visibility", "stronger", "superior knot strength" , "super knot strength", "maximum sensitivity", "America's strongest", "greater control", "easy handling", etc. as stated on line packages and advertizements. Those are statements on mono line packages that I have. Quote
bigfruits Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 copolymer is usually a flouro and mono (nylon) mix.yo-zuri ultra soft is recommended alot on here. i finally tried it and its great. i did use kvd line conditioner (another great product) on it, so i cant give an opinion on the line without it. its also a very cheap line. for spinning reels i suggest yo-zuri ultra soft 6#. for casting maybe 12#. they are stronger than the test rating. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0030185119279a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=yo+zuri&sort=all&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1 Ultra soft? If it is "Ultra soft" would that not meant hat it has very low abrasion resistance? no. i think it has very good abrasion resistance. it is limp and has very low memory. Quote
Bassboss Posted October 17, 2008 Author Posted October 17, 2008 BassBoss, "Ultra Soft" can mean anything or nothing without a qualifying statement of what it is compared to. Its just like "low stretch", "more abraision resistant", "low memory", "low visibility", "stronger", "superior knot strength" , "super knot strength", "maximum sensitivity", "America's strongest", "greater control", "easy handling", etc. as stated on line packages and advertizements. Those are statements on mono line packages that I have. So it's just a marketing skit? Quote
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