Yo Zuri Ultrasoft....you've let me down

[The_Natural]

hmmmmm, I have some thinking to do.  Anyone else used CXX and Ultra-soft and agree with RW that toughness is equal.

Nope, CXX > US

That's what I was going to say.  You can make a lot of claims...less memory, better casting, etc...but in the strength and abrasion department CXX is unchallenged IMHO.  I've only used the regular Yozuri Hybrid, but it can't match CXX so I can't imagine the Ultra Soft is stronger/more abrasion resistant than the regular Hybrid.  CXX isn't a forgiving line...it's tough as sheet, but some say it isn't user friendly (I honestly don't think it is bad at all).  However, if CXX were a cigarette, it would be a Camel non-filter.  If it were dip, it would be Copenhagen.  Catch my drift?  It isn't silk, but when you need the toughest crap out there...CXX is your line.  Memory?!  Grow a pair! (or as burley said "deal with it".)  It isn't wire...just not Trilene XL.

[roadwarrior]

Exactly how tough does it have to be?  

I fish "The Rocks from Hell"  on the Tennessee River and have no issues.

8-)

[Rob Faddis]

I want to assure everyone that the comment about KVD Line & Lure making line brittle is not even possible. It's like saying that hand lotion made your hands crack. The symptoms mentioned are not related to the use of Line & Lure. Even so, if fishtank is dissatisfied with the product we will gladly refund his money.

[roadwarrior]

I want to assure everyone that the comment about KVD Line & Lure making line brittle is not even possible. It's like saying that hand lotion made your hands crack. The symptoms mentioned are not related to the use of Line & Lure. Even so, if fishtank is dissatisfied with the product we will gladly refund his money.

I've got your back, buddy.

Earlier in the thread I addressed that statement, but again:

Ridiculous!

8-)

[FishTank]

I want to assure everyone that the comment about KVD Line & Lure making line brittle is not even possible. It's like saying that hand lotion made your hands crack. The symptoms mentioned are not related to the use of Line & Lure. Even so, if fishtank is dissatisfied with the product we will gladly refund his money.

I've got your back, buddy.

Earlier in the thread I addressed that statement, but again:

Ridiculous!

8-)

Sorry guys,  I am going to stand by my statement that I over applied the KVD line conditioner to some 12lb Yo-Zuri U.S.  and it caused the line to be brittle. I have been using this line conditioner for the past 3 years and I usually only use a couple of pumps of the spray the night before fishing.

The reel I used, just in case, was a Curado 201BSF which I use for crankbaits.  I usually use the regular Yo-Zuri (10lb) on this reel but I wanted to try some of the US in the 12lb since it was so highly recommended and I love the 6lb on my spinning gear.  Where I made my mistake was I applied it this time by spraying a lint free cloth, applying it as I spooled the reel and then spraying a pump or two on line when I was done spoolling the line.  The reel set unused for about a month and as part of my routine, I sprayed it again the night before.  I tried fishing with this line but it was down right crispy.

This is the part that makes me think it is the line conditioner.

I used the rest of the spool on a Calais 201A with no line conditiner and it performed perfectly.  Love this line....

I had previously this year applied KVD line conditioner to some 15lb Trilene Professional Fluorocarbon using the same method (rag and pumping some on after spooling) and had the same results but had nothing to compare it to.  So I just thought I had a bad spool.

I have since just been spraying it on my line as needed the night before I fish.  I have had no issues what so ever.  As matter of fact, I respooled my Core last night with some 12lb Trilene Fluorocarbon and sprayed some KVD line conditioner on it after I spooled it.  This moring it casted like a dream.  

[roadwarrior]

Hey Fish Tank!

I know you are a stand-up guy, but it's gotta be something else.

I soak the new spools before putting it on a reel and spray the heck

out of the line when I'm putting it on.

I don't have an answer and I don't want to come across challenging

your word, but it just has to be something else and I don't know what

it could be.

:-/

[Alpster]

Where I made my mistake was I applied it this time by spraying a lint free cloth, applying it as I spooled the reel and then spraying a pump or two on line when I was done spoolling the line.  The reel set unused for about a month and as part of my routine, I sprayed it again the night before.  I tried fishing with this line but it was down right crispy.

I don't get it either. I apply KVD exactly the way you describe. As a matter of fact SPEEDBEAD and I spooled up a couple of my reels and one or two of his with #12 YZUS and cranked it through a terry cloth soaked with KVD and sprayed it on every day we fished at Guntersville. I am still using the same line on the same reels (Mg50s) and re-applying KVD and it's performing flawlessly for me. Has to be something else going on.  :-? :-/

Ronnie

[FishTank]

Hey Fish Tank!

I know you are a stand-up guy, but it's gotta be something else.

I soak the new spools before putting it on a reel and spray the heck

out of the line when I'm putting it on.

I don't have an answer and I don't want to come across challenging

your word, but it just has to be something else and I don't know what

it could be.

:-/

I thought it might be the rag, maybe a chemical or something causing a reaction. But I checked the manufacture's package, it states that it is both lint and chemical free.  We use these same rags at work to wipe of print heads and laser housings, just in case.

If I have time and don't hold me to it, I will see if I can reproduce this and post some pics.  I have three bottles of this line conditioner, one of which is the original stuff in the gray bottle (pre-KVD). I will use some of each for a comparison.

[Rob Faddis]

Well in all fairness, has anyone had line degrade from using Line & Lure out there?  This is something that we want to know in an effort to make/keep a superior product.  Let us know.  

Fish Tank, I in no way meant to infer that you don't know what you're talking about.  Sorry if is seemed that way.  It's just that there is nothing in L&L that can make line brittle.  Unless it's been messed with?? Got any practical jokers around?  

[Rob Faddis]

I have three bottles of this line conditioner, one of which is the original stuff in the gray bottle (pre-KVD). I will use some of each for a comparison

Well, I think we may have found the problem. The Line & Lure label has been the same since it's release to market in April of 2005. The only label you could get from us is the black and white one with KVD in his 2005 white jersey. We have never produced any gray label bottles. There is a product that I recently discovered that is another "line & Lure" produced by a company called Weatherlock. They had the audacity to actually steal our trademarked name and use it on the market. If it is this product, IT IS NOT KVD Line & Lure Conditioner. Got a picture of this gray-labeled bottle? And the plot thickens!

[FishTank]

I am at work currently but I will post a pic later.

Each of the bottles I have were free give aways from tournaments or fishing expos.  The grey bottle I have had for quite some time. It is not a spray but a drip bottle and it has only been used on spinning gear.  I like the pump better.  The drip bottle would cause the solution to run when it was put on.  I hardly ever used it.

[FishTank]

Time for bed so. Here is one pic for know.

The bottle on the right is what I have been using