Super User Jeff H Posted June 3, 2008 Super User Posted June 3, 2008 It is touted as being smaller and lighter than the 100D, with 200D line capacity and HEG gearing. Yup, this sucker is going to sell. Beautiful.... and about time!! Quote
TournyFish001 Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I seriously hope they come out with a 201E5 :-[ Quote
quant PT Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 What will fill the gap between a $140 Curado and a $260 Chronarch? Quote
Jake P Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 I suspect the new CuradoE7 will knock your socks off! It will probably be comparable to the CH50MG, one of the finest reels ever made. Competition is great, we all benefit and the newest equipment will be better AND cheaper!Is this a great country, or what? 8-) You have no idea how reassuring that sounds. I almost bought a 100d but i figured i will just wait a few months. Quote
Pencil Pusher Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 You guys are dreaming. The economics don't work for a "better and improved" Curado for $140. If the Curado 200D was priced correctly at $199, then the labor savings by moving production to Malaysia would be about $40 to $50. This based on a statement by a Shimano employee when the D models came out that the Citica 100 was manufactured in Japan because the Malaysia plant did not have the tooling to manufacture the 100 size reels (even the Cardiff 100 is made in Japan, while the 200 is made in Malaysia) and that because it was made in Japan, it should have a price point of $159. So, with that labor savings, the Curaso 200D, if manufactured in Malaysia would sell for around $159. The only way to sell the new E series for less would be to cheapen the components or reduce gross profit. I really don't see Shimano doing either one. My opinion is that Shimano will move production to Malaysia, make changes and improvements to the Curado and hold the price at around $199. I am really curious as to how Shimano will reduce the weight of the Curado (if they do). All that metal they added when the reel was redesigned added the weight, so what will they change. Everything so far is just speculation and I'll just wait and see what happens. Quote
The_Natural Posted June 4, 2008 Author Posted June 4, 2008 You guys are dreaming. The economics don't work for a "better and improved" Curado for $140. If the Curado 200D was priced correctly at $199, then the labor savings by moving production to Malaysia would be about $40 to $50. This based on a statement by a Shimano employee when the D models came out that the Citica 100 was manufactured in Japan because the Malaysia plant did not have the tooling to manufacture the 100 size reels (even the Cardiff 100 is made in Japan, while the 200 is made in Malaysia) and that because it was made in Japan, it should have a price point of $159.So, with that labor savings, the Curaso 200D, if manufactured in Malaysia would sell for around $159. The only way to sell the new E series for less would be to cheapen the components or reduce gross profit. I really don't see Shimano doing either one. My opinion is that Shimano will move production to Malaysia, make changes and improvements to the Curado and hold the price at around $199. I am really curious as to how Shimano will reduce the weight of the Curado (if they do). All that metal they added when the reel was redesigned added the weight, so what will they change. Everything so far is just speculation and I'll just wait and see what happens. Prices are already out; see the beginning of the thread. Quote
Pencil Pusher Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 If you believe those prices, I've got some Ocean front property in Arizona I'll sell real cheap!!! Find the e-store that has them. Quote
The_Natural Posted June 4, 2008 Author Posted June 4, 2008 If you believe those prices, I've got some Ocean front property in Arizona I'll sell real cheap!!! Find the e-store that has them. I don't have any reason not to believe it. They just have their website ready to go for when the reels arrive. These reels are going to start shipping to dealers very soon. So where do you think they came up with those prices? Quote
Pencil Pusher Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 The price they're selling the "D" series at. Kinda like selling last years Honda's. Quote
Fishing Doug Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 Ok, I'm in. Since we are all speculating-I say there is a good chance that they will still be heavy and have backplay in the handle..... FD Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted June 5, 2008 Super User Posted June 5, 2008 Well Doug, I doubt they will be "heavy" and as I have stated in numerous posts which I'm sure you have seen, the "play" is engineered into Shimano reels to protect them. Perhaps that's why Shimano reels last forever. Strong, smooth, silent and reliant. 8-) Quote
Super User Micro Posted June 5, 2008 Super User Posted June 5, 2008 How does backplay protect a reel? Isn't that a like having a seatbelt on a little too lose? Quote
UBA Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 The only time that you will see the handle back play is if you tighten the drag down all the way and put your thumb on the spool and move the handle back and forth. I highly doubt that you will ever notice it while fishing. Quote
BigGame0892 Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Hey guys, I'm new to the forums but I thought I would chime in. For what its worth, I am diehard Shimano. Mainly Citcas. I think the fact that production for the new Curado is going to move to Malaysia is significant. I have one Curado (200DHSV). I got it because there is no Citica high speed (yet) and I do have to say that the workmanship,material and detail on the Curado does seem to be superior to that of the Citica (which is made in Malaysia). Obviously, Shimano has to stay competitive with the Revo - but I'm not sure moving production to Malaysia to save on cost is the answer. Not that what I think matters - but just my 2 cents!! Quote
Pencil Pusher Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I found the web store last night that had the Curado E for the prices shown at the top of this thread. However, I went there this morning to compare some of their other Shimano prices to list price and the price for the 200E7 has now increased to $147.99. This E-Store is selling Stradic FI's for $30 -$40 under the list price. There is another post on TT that states that the MSRP for the Curado 200E7 is going to be $179. This seems reasonable considering the labor savings if production moves to Malaysia because it leaves room for some "improvements". The E-Store could discount $30 and be at their new price of $147. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted June 5, 2008 Super User Posted June 5, 2008 lawyerbassman, Welcome aboard! 8-) Quote
The_Natural Posted June 5, 2008 Author Posted June 5, 2008 I found the web store last night that had the Curado E for the prices shown at the top of this thread. However, I went there this morning to compare some of their other Shimano prices to list price and the price for the 200E7 has now increased to $147.99. This E-Store is selling Stradic FI's for $30 -$40 under the list price. There is another post on TT that states that the MSRP for the Curado 200E7 is going to be $179. This seems reasonable considering the labor savings if production moves to Malaysia because it leaves room for some "improvements". The E-Store could discount $30 and be at their new price of $147. Well, if the afforementioned store is selling them for $147....that is where I will be getting mine. I rarely buy reels at list price from BPS or Cabelas anyway. Quote
Super User senile1 Posted June 5, 2008 Super User Posted June 5, 2008 All this debate and speculation over a creature that no one has really seen yet. It reminds me of Bigfoot. Quote
Fishing Doug Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 How does backplay protect a reel? Isn't that a like having a seatbelt on a little too lose? Often thought the same thing myself. would love to hear more on this.... Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted June 5, 2008 Super User Posted June 5, 2008 It doesn't protect the reel. However, the president of the Possee must make those claims so that there is absoluetly no faults with any Shimano product I mean what would happen if all members of the Possee realized that there was indeed something about their reel that was flawed. It's the end of the world as we know it! Quote
tyrius. Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 I mean what would happen if all members of the Possee realized that there was indeed something about their reel that was flawed. So how does this "flaw" negatively affect the reel's ability to fish? Quote
The_Natural Posted June 6, 2008 Author Posted June 6, 2008 I mean what would happen if all members of the Possee realized that there was indeed something about their reel that was flawed. So how does this "flaw" negatively affect the reel's ability to fish? I don't know that it negatively effects the reels fishability, but I do not think Shimano purposely left play in the anti-reverse bearing. Daiwa's have zero play, and it has never led to any sort of damage. Tight tolerances leading to damage seems a little crazy. You aren't going to bend gears by setting the hook. Quote
tyrius. Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 I don't know that it negatively effects the reels fishability, So it isn't a "flaw" then? but I do not think Shimano purposely left play in the anti-reverse bearing. I may just be inexperienced, but my citica's don't have this "backplay" that everyone speaks of. Maybe someone can clue me in to this issue with my reels. Quote
The_Natural Posted June 6, 2008 Author Posted June 6, 2008 I don't know that it negatively effects the reels fishability, So it isn't a "flaw" then? but I do not think Shimano purposely left play in the anti-reverse bearing. I may just be inexperienced, but my citica's don't have this "backplay" that everyone speaks of. Maybe someone can clue me in to this issue with my reels. It doesn't hurt fishability, but it represents build quality. Quote
tyrius. Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 It doesn't hurt fishability, but it represents build quality. If it doesn't affect the reel's abilities then how does it affect the quality of the reel? What I think you may have meant is that the backplay "issue" represents certain people's PERCEPTION of build quality. The backplay "issue" does not negatively affect the reel's capabilities but certain anglers feel that it is an issue so it becomes a "problem" when it really isn't. And as a caveat, my next reel purchase is more than likely going to be a revo. Quote
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