Super User flechero Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 Seems like we've had a population explosion of experts at BR!! Maybe I have learned less than I thought over the past 25 years. :-/ I'm amazed at how many people went from novice to sudden expert in some cases just a few short months (or a few hundred posts). I'm learning lots of new "facts" about guides, cork, blank power and action, rod design and all sorts of other rod and reel related info..... it's like starting over! In all seriousness, I feel bad for those who are just starting out and look to us for info... much of the advice lately has been poor. Somewhere between price and preference, many people have lost the ability to suggest based on an original poster's needs. Sorry for the rant, it's been bugging me for a while. I figured that since it was rod/reel related, I'd post in this forum. (although there is a perfect, topic based, Mod opportunity, left wide open) ...lol
Super User burleytog Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 The sad thing is those who need this one the most won't apply it in the correct manner. :-X
Super User flechero Posted February 5, 2008 Author Super User Posted February 5, 2008 The intent is not to call anyone out. I purposely did not mention any specific threads or people... at most it's a subtle reminder to be mindful of the question asked or consider the needs of the original poster over our own bias.
Super User Alpster Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 I have tried to make a commitment to the following.... Tackle - If it's not in my box, no opinion, only questions Rod/reels/lines - If I never owned/fished it, no opinion, only questions Techniques - If I am not real good at it, I am limited to questions only Boats/Lakes/Girls/Elephant breeding, etc. - It's OK if I am ignorant about it. I am thankful for the REAL experts in these areas. I hope this is a positive response. Ronnie
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 I have tried to make a commitment to the following....Tackle - If it's not in my box, no opinion, only questions Rod/reels/lines - If I never owned/fished it, no opinion, only questions Techniques - If I am not real good at it, I am limited to questions only Boats/Lakes/Girls/Elephant breeding, etc. - It's OK if I am ignorant about it. I am thankful for the REAL experts in these areas. I hope this is a positive response. Ronnie Not only "positive", but EXCELLENT! 8-)
Super User dodgeguy Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 I have tried to make a commitment to the following....Tackle - If it's not in my box, no opinion, only questions Rod/reels/lines - If I never owned/fished it, no opinion, only questions Techniques - If I am not real good at it, I am limited to questions only Boats/Lakes/Girls/Elephant breeding, etc. - It's OK if I am ignorant about it. I am thankful for the REAL experts in these areas. I hope this is a positive responce. Ronnie right on.i hate people who knock products they have never used.you should at least borrow a friends and fish with it before you form an opinion.
Zel Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I'm curious, could you provide some examples where you deem advice is bad? And also explain why the advice was bad, as a public service to us all. The post was about as subtle a reminder as a sledgehammer to the temple, and should be explained further. Good point though about thinking first about the posters needs before interjecting opinions, but you can't change human nature. It is hard to police or regulate public "opinion." This is a free and public forum. And free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it. Any poster should take responsibility for their own actions if they decide to act upon any free advice given to them. I think any poster with just a little common sense, after reading several posts in any related topics, can ascertain who are the real experts here. Maybe we should have a new mod The Expert Police. They can interject and shoot down any posts deemed bad advice. (I don't really think we should have it, I'm just keeping in tone and sarcasm with the first two paragraphs of the post that started this).
Rob G. Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I agree that speculation or heresay is not advise. However, I do believe that it is entirely possible that someone new to the site, could and already have rendered some good advise. Most of the time, advise and opinion are one in the same. Let's just hope that opinion is based upon personal experience.
WIII-60 Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Alpster, I don't know anything about breeding elephants, but can offer plenty of poor advice. PM me if interested.
sal669 Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Dully noted... Great post ! On the other side, beeing a new BR member doesn't mean "novice fisherman". I will specify in the future if the post is "my opinion" or "my experience" , and you guys judge if it 's worth taking in consideration. Tight lines
Super User senile1 Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 Good thread, flechero. And some good points by Alpster, Zel, and sal669. When you get over 12,000 members you have a small city with all of the personalities that entails. In a city of 12,000 you usually have all kinds from felons to executives, sinners to saints. As membership increases the number of good advice and bad advice will increase. We all will have to sift through more bad advice to get to the good. It just goes with the territory. Alpster, PM me if you need some assistance with your elephants.
heathen Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Alpster, PM me if you need some assistance with your elephants. ;D ;D ;D
Super User islandbass Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 Being one who has always been regarded as slow in seeing things, I believe generic examples of this bad advice would be helpful for those who give it and are not aware. Ignorance is bliss, or is it? By this expert advice, do we mean Some one asks for opinions about reels A and B but someone recommends reel C? If so, I can understand the point of the thread. I do my best to answer questions based on what is asked. If I have offended anyone, I apologize. I try to give opinions based on things that I have used. For example, I would never recommend a Calcutta because I have never used one, let alone held one, but I would provide positive feedback on a Curado D, Trion LP, or a Cardiff A, because I have these reels and like them. I agree that public opinion would be tough to "regulate" but perhaps it would be easier to provide or limit the opinion to address the inquiry(ies) of the person who initiated the thread.
Pencil Pusher Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 O.K. here goes. I have been a registered member of this site for two years and yet I have only made 78 (this makes 79) posts, but I have read a lot of the posts and discussions. Unlike some members, I just don't see the need to make a post on every discussion just to run the numbers up. Am an expert? I don't consider myself expert even though I have been fishing including bass fishing for longer than a good number of the members of this site have been alive: right at 60 years. My grandfather started me at age 7 with a knuckle buster bait cast on an old steel rod and I am still learning new techniques, e.g. drop shot and shakey head. I only post when I think I have something useful to add. I don't post just because I don't agree with someone (unless I truly feel or know for a fact that the post is false). I have arrived at some conclusions about the "expertism" demonstrated here. A lot of credence is given to advice, opinion, etc, based upon the number of posts a given member has made. I have read enough posts to conclude that there some members with high numbers that I just plain ignore but a newer member may accept because of the number of posts. Members with a low number of posts seem to get "called out" for their opinions much more often than those with higher numbers of posts. Just because some one has a high number of posts does not make them an expert. There is one poster on here that six months ago didn't know a rod from a reel. Since then he has averaged about 8 or 9 posts a day and now weighs in with advice on everthing. Opinions are like noses, everyody has one and they're all different. That's what 95% of what you get on any web forum; opinions.
sal669 Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Alpster, PM me if you need some assistance with your elephants. ...that would be "opinion" or "first hand experience" ??? ;D ;D ;D
Super User senile1 Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 Alpster, PM me if you need some assistance with your elephants. ...that would be "opinion" or "first hand experience" ??? ;D ;D ;D I'll never tell. It would ruin my reputation as an elephant expert. Isn't that what the web is for . . . . . to portray yourself as an expert when you aren't? BTW, Pencil Pusher, that was a good post.
Super User Catt Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 I give information based on my 44 years personal experience fishing both salt water and bass fishing. If I give information on building some thing or how something is built it's from 44 years as a Carpenter and 15 years as a Manufacturing Engineer in the Aerospace industry. If I give information on cars, trucks, or boats it's from 8 years as a Certified Mechanic; while I haven't owned every boat made I bet I have a close friend who has one and I both driven and fished out it on man occasion. Does this make me an expert? Nope
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 5, 2008 Super User Posted February 5, 2008 I give information based on my 44 years personal experience fishing both salt water and bass fishing. If I give information on building some thing or how something is built it's from 44 years as a Carpenter and 15 years as a Manufacturing Engineer in the Aerospace industry. If I give information on cars, trucks, or boats it's from 8 years as a Certified Mechanic; while I haven't owned every boat made I bet I have a close friend who has one and I both driven and fished out it on man occasion. Does this make me an expert? Nope When you have some advice, we're all listening... 8-)
ILfisherman Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I have tried to make a commitment to the following....Tackle - If it's not in my box, no opinion, only questions Rod/reels/lines - If I never owned/fished it, no opinion, only questions Techniques - If I am not real good at it, I am limited to questions only Boats/Lakes/Girls/Elephant breeding, etc. - It's OK if I am ignorant about it. I am thankful for the REAL experts in these areas. I hope this is a positive response. Ronnie Same here, I would never give advice or place judgement on gear that I DON'T own.
surfer Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 There is one poster on here that six months ago didn't know a rod from a reel. Since then he has averaged about 8 or 9 posts a day and now weighs in with advice on everthing. I had to go check how many posts I make. That sounds like me. I do my best to follow Alpsters rules and only post on what I have first hand knowledge of. If it is not first hand knowledge I try to make that clear in my post. As for how often I post... I am excited to be here. P.S. PM me if its me.
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 PM SENT!! > ;D ;Dj/k ;D ;D It's not you, this is merely a stirring of the pot which, quite frankly, is becoming rather redundant, annoying, and pointless. If there is an issue with the advice someone is giving, either DON'T READ IT,....or ....offer YOUR opinion,....or,....just leave it alone and realize you are on the internet. I mean Honestly, there is a certain amount of "take what you hear with a grain of salt" to this forum board stuff, if that's so surprising, maybe you should stick to magazines.
moby bass Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 What's an expert? "X" = unknown quantity "spurt" = drip under pressure ;D
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