4pwr Posted January 28, 2008 Posted January 28, 2008 I do not get the reason for closing a a spinning reel bail by hand after a cast is better than turning the handle to close the bail. Quote
Super User Wayne P. Posted January 28, 2008 Super User Posted January 28, 2008 When you use the handle to rotate the bail closed, the bail slapping the line when it snaps closed is when the dreaded loops occur. Quote
7magJake Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 +1, I learned that lesson the hard way. Ohh also be sure to lube that beil up, youlll learn you can loose a lure on the cast when the beil flips back over halway through and your bait goes into another guys boat. Quote
cbfishalot Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 When you use the handle to rotate the bail closed, the bail slapping the line when it snaps closed is when the dreaded loops occur. X3 and causes less line twist!! Quote
BassinDave Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 if you crank the bail closed it can, at times, cause the line to lay across the end of the spool where the drag knob is, thus causing a loop. I prove this on a fishing trip one time while spending a lot of time watching the reel to try to figure out where the loop was comming from. Believe it or not, closing the bail by hand solved the problem. Quote
Super User islandbass Posted January 29, 2008 Super User Posted January 29, 2008 They pretty much covered why, but I'll add one thing to closing the bail manually. That is 90% of the battle. The other 10% involves ensuring that there is no slack on your side of the bail before the retrieve starts. You can still get the loops manually closing the bail if there still is slack in the line before the retrieve is started. The move is simple. Close the bail and then move the rod up or to a side slightly with your hand or small flick of the wrist to make the line taut and start your retrieve. I don't experience line twist or loops any more as a result. 8-) Quote
SpringCantComeSoonEnough Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 It has always been a habit of mine. I think I actually started because it was quite loud and hard to close the bail by turning the handle on my first spinning reel. It was a Shimano FX2000F. Quote
Super User dodgeguy Posted January 29, 2008 Super User Posted January 29, 2008 it also saves bail springs. Quote
Super User Sam Posted January 29, 2008 Super User Posted January 29, 2008 Not only do you use your hand to close the spinning reel bail, but you pull on the line to get it tight first. This will help eliminate a loose spool and line twist. And by closing the bail by hand also prolongs the life of the spinning reel as you do not use any force against the bearings. As NIKE says....Just Do It! Quote
PDB Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Or you could just use the reel as designed an reel the bail closed, taking a quick glance down to make sure you don't have the loop. If for some reason your line becomes twisted over time, let all the line out without any lure on it and reel it back in applying light pressure with your fingers. No sense in making something more complicated than it needs to be. Quote
NBR Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Agreed closing by hand eliminates the small loop that ends up a few casts later as a wad of snarls by the first guide but I don't understand how closing the bail by hand reduces or eliminates line twist? Quote
Just_Old_Fisherman Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Or you can do like me and use braid which doesn't twist up like mono and not close the bail by hand. Quote
Super User Wayne P. Posted January 29, 2008 Super User Posted January 29, 2008 No matter how you close the bail, it has no effect on line twist. That is a result of either the bait spinning during the cast and/or retrieve or because the line changes direction by 90 degrees from the rod to the spool. Braid twists just a much as mono using the same presentations. It just not as noticeable due to it's limpness. Yes, you also need to have some tension on the line before reeling regardless of line type to minimize the loose line on the spool. Quote
Super User dodgeguy Posted January 29, 2008 Super User Posted January 29, 2008 it helps with stopping throwing loops on the spool but not line twist. Quote
surfer Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 I always thought this way too, but didn't want to say anything because so many people say it does prevent twists. Its nice to know I am not alone and can come out of the closet now. But it is nice to learn where these darn loops over the drag knob come from. > Quote
Super User .dsaavedra. Posted January 30, 2008 Super User Posted January 30, 2008 many reasons why to do it. it prevents loops and line twist when you put your hand infront of the reel to close the bail, you can "feather" the off coming line to get more accurate casts. it puts less stress on the reel and your hand; closing the bail with the crank is pretty hard sometimes and wears down the little hump on the inside of the spool that closes the bail. Quote
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