Tying leader to braid question

[cannibass]

Is it recommended to tie fluorocarbon leader to braided line using a surgeons knot if I wanted to throw some small jigs/spinners/spoons?

[FD.]

I use the double uni knot to tie braid to anything else..

[JKLOCK]

Double uni for me also....

                 SeniorBasser

[Masshole Mike]

i'll 3rd the double uni knot.

[islandbass]

x4. If I'm feeling up to practiving, I will tie the albright, but the double uni is much easier and faster for me.

[Garnet]

The spinners and spoons use a short leader and swival and maybe even a snap swival and no leader if weeds are not a big problem.

I like the Albright Knot and it's recommended it the Power Pro box.

Garnet

[surfer]

I have used Uni-Uni for more than a year with almost no problems. Currently experimenting with the blood knot because it is slightly thinner than the Uni-Uni. I would recomend against the double surgeon due to its thickness. It will not pass through guides easily.

http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php

[Guest avid]

I have experimented with every line to leader connection except the bimini twist.

The ONLY braid to leader (mono or flouro) knot that will never fail if tied properly is the modified albright,   All other knots will slip from time to time even when perfectly tied.

http://www.stripersonline.com/Pages/Articles/article_arby_albertos_knot.shtml

[fishing4fun]

I am going to start using floro leaders this year as well. I will be using Suffix braid 50lb as a main line and Seaguar invsx 20 lb as the leader  on a Kistler 7' heavy action rod for pitching jigs. I was going to use the uni to uni knot and put some glue on it. My main concern is with the stiffness of this rod, will the knots blow apart on a hard hook set.

Thoughts?

Thanks in Advance

[Alpster]

Opposing nail knots are stronger and more reliable than all others. Especially when line & leader are different diameters. They can't slip and the line & leader will nearly always fail before the knot. No body (except me) likes to use them because they are very hard to tie. I use a knot tying tool and it's still a bear to tie, but there is no stronger way to join leader to a line. JMHO

Ronnie

[links_man2]

I have experimented with every line to leader connection except the bimini twist.

The ONLY braid to leader (mono or flouro) knot that will never fail if tied properly is the modified albright, All other knots will slip from time to time even when perfectly tied.

http://www.stripersonline.com/Pages/Articles/article_arby_albertos_knot.shtml

Avid---Thanks for the link.  Haven't fished it, but tied some Fluoro on braid and was a fairly straight forward know and could be tied even by a fat fingered old man without getting my fingers tied in the knot.   Gave it a few pretty good tugs and seems to hold very good.  Was looking for something else since I have had some problems with a double uni between braid and fluoro.

[Tokyo Tony]

The best knot I've found for braid to mono/flouro is the uni to uni.  I've tried the Albright, and although it's a smaller knot, which is a big plus, I've found that it's not as strong.  The surgeon's knot is strong as long as you pass the lines through 4 times (any less with braid to mono/flouro will slip), but that makes the knot huge and it will have trouble going through the guides.

Although the uni to uni is a very small knot, I'm still looking for something smaller that's at least as strong.

[ABC123]

I'm a double uni user right now, but have seen some other knot's that I might try this year.

[MickD]

I have used the double uni knot for years and have never had one slip.  period.

The Albright knot is more compact, so will go through the guides better.  Even the modified Albright is more compact (with Albrights the large diameter line only gets doubled while in the uni-uni it gets wound over the small line 4 times.  This can make quite a large knot if using heavy flouro).

I used the Albright only a few times last season and had no trouble, will be trying it more this next year.  I retie after a couple  days of hard fishing to make sure the knot and line near it don't get too torn up going through the guides.

I don't have any data on knot strength, but  I use 40 pound braid and 20 pound fluoro and have not noticed any of my uni-uni's or Albrights showing any weakness whatsoever.  Remember to spit on them as you are pulling them tight.

[Jig Man]

I have used a bunch of different knots in the last 5 years and didn't like any of them until Avid posted the Alberto's knot. Now it is the only knot I use. It is simple, easy, small, and doesn't require glue.

I just finished tying several on getting ready for a break in the weather in a week or so.

[MickD]

I just did some internet research to try to find out the relative strengths of the Albright, improved Albright (Alberto) and double uni knots when tying mono to braid and found this:

Both knots less than 50% of line strength

Both knots between 90 and 100% of line strength

Braid is really bad for knot strength which is why the line is much stronger than stated pound test-it is the approx knot strenght that is on the box.

What the truth is, I suppose, will depend on your specific lines and your specific techniques.  Sounds like a good winter project.  I'll be tying them both and testing.  As stated before, my experience would  lead me to believe the truth is closer to 90 for both knots than it is to 50.

[apathy]

I always tie a uni to uni, but thats only because its easy and ive never really tried anything else.

[RoLo]

When joining fluorocarbon to any braided line (braided dacron, braided polyethylene or braided nylon), I have always used a uni-knot to uni-knot.

Matter of fact, if I tie a uni-to-uni connection and you're able to make it slip, you can have my car and I'll take the bike home ;D

Roger

[surfer]

In my year of Uni-Uni use, probably 300+ knot ties, I have never had a slip.  I use 10 lb braid.  It is very thin.  All of my line failures happened at the Uni-Uni knot due to the very thin braid cutting through the softer and thicker floro.  I feel that it cuts in at less than what the actual knot strength is if it were mono to floro.  I have had to take this into account when choosing lines and drag settings.

I agree with the statement that the uni-uni dose not slip.  If there is a thinner knot that also has less cut in problems then I will switch.