VBS vs. magnetic brake

[ABC123]

I did some searching and didn't come up with much. Is there much of a difference between the function of the VBS vs. the Revo magnetic brake, or any magnetic brake? Basically my question is, is it worth taking the cover off for the VBS style system, is it that much better?

I am considering the ShImAnO Chronarch mg and the Revo Premier.

[Raul]

One is magnetic the other one is centrifugal, both are meant to do the same thing, one does it with weights the other one does it with magnets, drag has nothing to do with any of both systems.

[ABC123]

Dang it, I meant magnetic brake not drag. It's been a long day...and night last night. I'll go up and fix that.

[Raul]

There has been a great ammount of discussion about which one is better and after a long debate the best overall for pitching, flipping, preventing backlashes and the most gain in cast distance is Daiwa 's Mag V which you only find in Daiwa 's V spool reels ( Sol, TDZ, Steez 103 ); in second place comes the 4x4 SVS which you only find in two reels, Shimano 's Scorpion 1000/1001 and Scorpion Mg, in third place comes the conventional VBS ( or SVS as it 's called in JDM reels ) found in all Shimanos with it ( from the Citica and up ). Digital cast control is not considered as "conventional".

Basically my question is, is it worth taking the cover off for the VBS style system, is it that much better?

I really don 't understand what you are asking  :-?, I suppose you mean if removing the side cover to tweak with the brake settings if needed is it worth it, well, like in any other BC part of the spool rotation control is in the brakes, but most of it is where it has always been ----> in the thumb.

I seldomly have to reset the braking settings in any of my reels wether they are magnetic or centrifugal.

[islandbass]

I did some searching and didn't come up with much. Is there much of a difference between the function of the VBS vs. the Revo magnetic brake, or any magnetic brake? Basically my question is, is it worth taking the cover off for the VBS style system, is it that much better?

I am considering the ShImAnO Chronarch mg and the Revo Premier.

Don't worry about taking the cover off.  Once you figure out how many brakes you want on and off, you will RARELY ever take it off again. This too was a concern of mine before I bought my first Shimano BC reel and taking off the sideplate just doesn't happen. 2 brakes on and 4 off and BAM! You're done.

[ABC123]

There has been a great ammount of discussion about which one is better and after a long debate the best overall for pitching, flipping, preventing backlashes and the most gain in cast distance is Daiwa 's Mag V which you only find in Daiwa 's V spool reels ( Sol, TDZ, Steez 103 ); in second place comes the 4x4 SVS which you only find in two reels, Shimano 's Scorpion 1000/1001 and Scorpion Mg, in third place comes the conventional VBS ( or SVS as it 's called in JDM reels ) found in all Shimanos with it ( from the Citica and up ). Digital cast control is not considered as "conventional".

Basically my question is, is it worth taking the cover off for the VBS style system, is it that much better?

I really don 't understand what you are asking :-?, I suppose you mean if removing the side cover to tweak with the brake settings if needed is it worth it, well, like in any other BC part of the spool rotation control is in the brakes, but most of it is where it has always been ----> in the thumb.

I seldomly have to reset the braking settings in any of my reels wether they are magnetic or centrifugal.

Hmm, I tried searching words and phrases and I came up with nothing.

Well, I added the Sol to the list. That one looks like the front runner. I wish it was a little lighter, but people who review it seem to be beside themselves with joy over using it. I'll have to look into it more.

Yeah, I meant is it worth the trouble to remove the cover vs. turning the dial. So far is seems like it's not that much of a problem with the lack of need to change it often. I did get to thinking, most of the lures I will be useing will be reasonablely close to the same weight, and most will be cast the same style, so I'm guessing changing the cast control won't be much of an issue after all.

Thanks so far guy's, keep the input coming if you want to, it will be atleast the middle of next week before I buy.

[.dsaavedra.]

dude its not that much trouble to take off the sideplate. specially on shimanos because they have that quarter turn key system....at least my citica does. very easy to open. you siply lift a piece up, twist it a quarter turn, and that unlocks it and the sideplate swings open on a hinge. plus like someone said before, you are pretty safe with leaving two or three on and the rest off and you wont have to change it too often. i dont really notice much difference in the braking power in either style, its just one of those thigns that doesnt matter much. the only problem i have with magnetic brakes is that i always end up switching them when i palm the reel, messing up my casts. i do like my VBS but i wouldnt stay away from a reel depending on what brakes it has.

[ABC123]

Ok, I now found another question. The Steez and the Sol are listeed on the Daiwa website as having the Magforce-V brake, and the Zillion and the Fuego have the Magforce-Z. What is the difference??

[Guest muddy]

This is a V and this is a Z, next question!

[Guest avid]

The Z is the latest refinement in Daiwa's excellent magnetic brake series.

Here is what Tackle Tour has to say about it.

MagForce-Z uses the same principles as Magforce-V, but does so more efficiently. To increase maximum casting distance and exactness Magforce-Z applies smooth magnetic braking only when needed. The new system allows the spool to start up faster and achieve a higher top speed and a longer spinning period before the magnetic drag kicks into affect. In our field tests the new system translated to slightly increased casting distance but a noticeably increased range of cast control. If you set the Magforce-Z to a 3 setting versus a 5 for example, you will experience a perceptible reduction of distance but much improved cast control.

 

My experience translates into effortless backlash free distance casts with the magforce Z.  I find the magforce V on my Sol, a bit more finicky, but upgraded bearings made a significant difference.

good luck and have fun.

[Raul]

Ok, I now found another question. The Steez and the Sol are listeed on the Daiwa website as having the Magforce-V brake, and the Zillion and the Fuego have the Magforce-Z. What is the difference??

Mag Force V is found in all V spool Daiwas, Mag Force Z and Magforfce is found in U spool Daiwas.

Magforce Z is a little bit more efficient than Magforce V, like Avid mentioned, Mag V is a little bit more finicky but the reason why you find Mag Z in U spool Daiwas ( Fuego, Viento ) U spools have more line capacity therefore when full they weight more so they need a more powerful braking.

Within different reels is hard to tell the why but there 's a good example, the JDM Steez is available in two models: 103 H/HL and 100 H/HL;  the 103H/HL is a V spool reel with Mag V braking, the 100H/HL is a U spool reel with Mag Z.

[michbass]

When I got started in bass fishing alot of people told me to get an external magnetic brake. But after learning for myself I rarely adjust it anyways. Either way I don't think you will go wrong with your choices.

[ABC123]

Well, I stopped by the SW down by work, before work, to look at the different reels. They had the Sol and Fuego on sale for $179.99. I really liked the compact size of the Sol. The handle side didn't seem to pull the reel hard to that side compared to others, I liked that. I ended up getting one to try out figuring if line capacity was an issue, I could put it on my light casting rod with lighter line. So, the sign said marked down to $179.99, it rang up $159.99, and with the $50 card I had, it cost me $109.99. I'd say that was another good deal. 8-)

[dodgeguy]

imho you cannot beat a good centrifugal brake matched with your thumb.imho it blows away any magnetic brake.that said the hybrid magnetic/centrifugal brake found on bps rick clunn reels is my absolute favorite.instead of pins to adjust it has a centrifugal plate that comes out towards a set of magnets.it is adjustable from the outside like magnets but performs like a centrifugal brake.imho it's the best of both worlds wrapped up in one.

[lubina]

Most Quantums have centrifugal brakes with external adjustment.

I don't think that there is a break system  better than Megaforce V.(I've never tried a DC).