BPS Rods vs. Pflueger or Falcon?

[fishbear]

Now, before I begin, I am not trying to rehash an old subject, but stating what I personally found out this past weekend.

I have been using BPS Extreme, Bionic Blade, and Tourney Special rods now for a year.  I also have been using flourocarbon line.   I went fishing with a buddy Saturday, and he let me use first his Pflueger Spinning rod and then his new Falcon spinning rod, both were spun with braid..  We were jig head worm fishing for spots.

Price wise they are about the same as the BPS rods.  My question is this, is braid that much more sensitive than flouro??

Because, the Pflueger and Falcon rods were more sensitive hands down over the BPS rods.  I felt every little bump and bounce on the bottom vs. the BPS rods.  I am ready to sell every BPS rod I own and buy Pflueger or Falcon.

[cart7t]

I'd suggest putting a spool of braid on one of your reels mounted on a BPS rod and see for yourself.  Braid can tend to make any rod feel more sensitive due to its zero stretch properties.

[The Next KVD]

I use braid on a falcon rod and a BPS rod and I have found that the Falcon rod was much more sensative!!!!  I'm planning on getting rid of my BPS rod.

[dodgeguy]

briad is much more sensitive than flouro.braid would make an ugly stick feel sensitive.

[S I G M A]

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I'd suggest putting a spool of braid on one of your reels mounted on a BPS rod and see for yourself. Braid can tend to make any rod feel more sensitive due to its zero stretch properties.

this is very true... braid has no stretch whereas flouro has a little bit.... much less than mono but still a little amount of stretch. I wouldn't chuck that rod just yet

[Sam]

I like all of my BPS rods.

Even the Woo Daves rods are OK.

The higher end rods are even better.

Try a Kistler or a G. Loomis and you can see and feel the difference.

[smb]

Just to add my 2 cents.  There is no comparison between the Falcon rods, especially the Cara and Expert series, and the Pflueger/BPS rods.  Having said that, your comparison was not valid.  Any braid is much more sensitive, given the same rod, as are any mono or fluorocarbon line.  This is due to less stretch.  Fluorocarbon lines have been shown to have as much stretch as mono type lines.  Fluoros are more sensitive than monos due to the denser material they are made out of, not because they stretch less.  But sensitivity-wise, none can compare to braid type lines.  I think any rod would be amply sensitive with braid.  There are many other considerations when choosing a rod.  Use a Falcon with braid and the others with a braid and the Falcon wins hands down, whether you consider weight, sensitivity, quality, hook setting power, etc.

[dodgeguy]

you're right,there is no comparison.the bps rods are better.falcon cara rods use a graphite that is lower modulous than an extreme rod.the extreme uses hardloy guides and so does the cara.the extreme has a better reel seat.the extreme feels lighter for the same size rod imho.if you go up to a johnny morris elite series rod you get recoil guides on one of the best/most sensitive blanks made.the falcon doesn't come close to that.the falcons really aren't that light either.

[Micro]

I won't say which is better, since I've never fished a Falcon and I didn't eve know Pfleuger made rods.  I will say that my BPS Pro Qualifiers and BPS Johnny Morris Elite (70 and 85 million modulus respectively) are the most sensitive rods I've fished.  I feel like I could map the bottom with the Johnny Morris.  

[dodgeguy]

pflueger trion rods are really nice rods considering what they cost.they are also plenty sensitve.they are made with im8 graphite with an aramid braid around the blank.for $40 you can't beat them.i don't like the reel seats on them but for a cheap rod they aren't bad.i would say the falcon overall is much better but it really isn't more sensitive.

[dodgeguy]

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I won't say which is better, since I've never fished a Falcon and I didn't eve know Pfleuger made rods. I will say that my BPS Pro Qualifiers and BPS Johnny Morris Elite (70 and 85 million modulus respectively) are the most sensitive rods I've fished. I feel like I could map the bottom with the Johnny Morris.

how do you like the recoil guides?

[Micro]

I like them, so far.  I've only fished it once at a local pond and only caught a couple small fish.  But it's an incredibly sensitive rod, and I suppose the guides contribute to that.  I have my Revo STX on the rod and spooled with Yo-Zuri Hybrid 12#.  

[dodgeguy]

definately don't have to worry about an insert coming out.hopefully in the near future i'll own one to put next to my signature series johnny morris.

[Olebiker]

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pflueger trion rods are really nice rods considering what they cost.they are also plenty sensitve.they are made with im8 graphite with an aramid braid around the blank.for $40 you can't beat them.i don't like the reel seats on them but for a cheap rod they aren't bad.i would say the falcon overall is much better but it really isn't more sensitive.

+1 I bought a Pflueger Trion recently and it has quickly become my favorite. I also recently bought a Shimano Carbomax rod for about $50 that I am thrilled with.

[Guest muddy]

I have owned the Trion Rod, the Presiodent(IN A SPINNING COMBO) and liked both rods. I am poartial to Fenwicks and now Allstars but both of those rods were great rods. ANYONE ever try the CASTING RODS, the only place i ever saw them at was another site and Dicks?

[Micro]

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definately don't have to worry about an insert coming out.hopefully in the near future i'll own one to put next to my signature series johnny morris.

I think they are the same rod, just different guides.  I was actually going to buy a Signature but the Elite was on sale for less - and I wanted to try the recoil guides.  

[smb]

Modulus numbers are deceiving.  The real questions is is how much graphite content is actually in the blank.  When BPS says their rods have a certain modulus, they no doubt are correct to a degree.  But what is the actual percent of graphite content and what is the percent of the epoxy scrim?  But the modulus level of 85 cannot have a great amount of actual graphite in it at that level.  The result would be a very brittle rod.  The best of the Loomis line, which are supposed to have a great graphite blank, have modulus numbers nowhere near 85.  I do not think anyone could seriously say that any BPS rod could compete with with a GLX Loomis in the sensitivity department.  I have used several BPS rods - Extremes, Pro Qualifiers and J. Morris Signatures.  There is no comparison to any true high end type rods.  Unfortunately, although all high rods are considerable overpriced compared to their production costs, you still tend to get what you pay for.

[dodgeguy]

i have to dissagree with you about the sensitivity when it comes to a johnny morris rod.i've used friends glx rods and johnny morris rods and i don't see a difference in sensitivity.they are both awesome rods.where the loomis has the johnny morris beat is the warranty.but as far as i know if you take the johnny morris back to a bps they replace it free no matter what.

[luckyinkentucky]

I would say if you've never fished a BPS rod with braid then you need to.  Since their *** I have never owned anything but BPS Pro Qualifiers.  Up until the Johnny Morris Elite series came out I thought I had something that was far superior to the competition!  I cannot emphasize how sensitive the Johnny Morris Elite rods are!    I get excited just thinking about them.    Now that they are only $130 a piece, on sale, at BPS I bought 3 of spinning and 4 of the trigger style to put up for a rainy day.   I've tried G-Loomis, and find them to be overpriced by hype!  

To answer your previous question I think a rod can only be so sensitive.  I also think that BPS has the best Value for their rods.  There is a point where a rod can't get any more sensitive.  Let me rephrase that .... there is a point that the human hand can no longer feel the sensitivity of a rod.  In other words, if you have a Johnny Morris Elite with a Steez baitcaster loaded with 20 lb. braid ... in my opinion that is the best setup for Maximum sensitivity.  I can literally feel tiny baitfish hitting my 4" plastics with 50 feet of line out!  I can also feel every bump, ridge, and pebble on the bottom with that setup.  Braid is the highest sensitivity with Fluro next, and then mono being last.  Depending on what mono you have depends on it's sensitivity.  If I have a low stretch mono it is going to be a lot more sensitive than a high stretch mono.  

Make sense?