G. Loomis, fragile?

[Micro]

You got me.   :

I find it interesting that you would rely on the "aluminum oxide" description while stating another part of the ad, the part that doesn't suit your argument, is inaccurate.   Perhaps its the "aluminum oxide" part that hasn't been updated?

As far as relying on a customer service rep -  I'm suprised.  Why would you rely on her when you are in so well with the production manager?   She's probably reading the same ad you are.  Hardly a "trump."   When I called the customer service line some months ago, the service rep couldn't tell me the type of aluminum oxide guide on my Team All Star IM10 (hardloy, O), or whether or not the rods were recommended for use with braid.  I had to wait for a tech to answer my question.  

I don't own a Big Boy rod.  But the ad says the rod has Fuji guides, and if so, then that appears to be a Fuji Gold Cermet guide in that picture - unless there is a GOLD AO guide that I haven't seen, that's not in Fuji's line-up, and which YOU haven't shown me.   Either its accurate, or the All Star ad is misleading.  

BTW, here's a nice pic of a Big Boys.  Pretty gold rings.  Looks just like the Big Boys I've seen.

http://www.great-lakes.org/graphics-2/Shakespeare/All%20Star/all-star-team-as-big-boy.jpg

I'm not sure why AS would go to a 'gold' AO guide when the rods the Big Boys subplanted had the gold cermet (again, see the Outdoor Life link).

[Alpster]

Weelll... I stayed out of this one as long as I could. First IMX & GLX warranty is the same I have both, have used the warranty for both and it's great! Next, the "Outdoor Life" comparison link that says All Star Big Boy Rods have Fuji Gold Cermet guides is an obvious typo. If you look at all the rods in the list, isn't it funny  that there are several rods that sell for $250+ that don't have Gold Cermets. Even St. Croix's Legend Elite has Alconite guides. The Big Boy is the only one on the list that shows them. $175 worth of guides on a $120 rod is not happening, retail is retail no matter who is buying or selling. This link is to the BPS ad for the Big Boy" rod and it is clear what type of guides are on this rod.

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_51843?cm_mmc=froogle-_-100-2-6-_--1-_-38-150-044-00&hvarAID=froogle&mr:trackingCode=815CF61D-C654-DC11-BED2-001422107090&mr:referralID=NA

That's all I have to say about that.

God Bless

Ronnie

[Micro]

What makes the guides expensive isn't necessarily the gold cermet rings, but rather titanium frames.  

SiC rings are even harder than Gold Cermet.   Check the price differences on these.  SiC rings are very inexpensive in stainless frames.  Put them in titanium frames and they are much more expensive.  

Peruse the 2007 Fuji rod component and tackle catalog.   It's in Japanese, but if you spend a wee bit of time you can figure it out.

http://www.fujitackle.com/catalog/index02.html

It does not appear that Fuji makes a gold ring that isn't gold cermet.  I certainly don't see a gold aluminum oxide ring.  Additionally, it appears they can be had in a variety of frames.  

If those are really Fuji rings on that BB rod, then they are gold cermet.  But they are probably in stainless frames (possibly a discontinued type) which would significantly lower the price.  It appears gold cerment rings in stainless frames aren't that terribly expensive after all.

http://www.angelfire.com/ks/bingham/FUJICER.html

The argument that they are "too expensive" on a $120 rod, or the Outdoor Life list has a typo just doesn't really hold water.  

[flechero]

Yup $10 per guide is "rather cheap." (at blowout price) That still doesn't work. Gold Cermets w/ SS frames are still more expensive than Ti framed SiC's. And did you even look at the description of the SS Gold Cermets- where it says "frosted"-which doesn't match your pic and "Discontinued" which doesn't suit All Star.  The SS ones are long out of production, there are like 2 places on earth that have any- and they only have a couple since it's been so long ag that they quit making them.

Why would you rely on her when you are in so well with the production manager?

Because when I used the production manager as my source, you still didn't believe me.  I though an up to date confirmation would be believable.

But the ad says the rod has Fuji guides

Yes, the ad says it had "FUJI ALUMINUM OXIDE GUIDES" and so do the production manager, director of manufacturing, customer service personnel and the people building them.

The ad has 2 pictures and one written description... 2 of the 3 are Fuji aluminum oxide and the other is NOT EVEN A FREAKING FUJI GUIDE- they didn't used to use Fuji. it's the old Amtak guide.

So you are relying on a picture that doesn't match any of the Gold Cermet pictures or descriptions and one outdoor life writer's probable typo, over common sense and All Star's written words, and spoken words of their production manager, director of manufacturing, customer service personnel and the people building them?

you are either a troll or really want to push my buttons for some unknown reason.

I'm out of this- enjoy fantasy land.

[Siebert Outdoors]

Someone answer my question ;D

What kind of warranty do the GLX rods have, and does the IMX warranty differ from the GLX?

Thanks ;D

I'm going to be ordering a GLX within the next few days but after seeing this thread I want to know about the warranty.

thanks

Never had a problem with them. I've broke about 5 loomis rods. I feel 4 of them were my fault and maybe the 5th. Dont worry about it. Topics like this just start some complaining.

Fletchero's post

Think of the IMX/GLX blanks as corvettes and the Gator/All Star blanks as a steel bodied car. Both will hold up to almost anything until you screw up and hit something. And just like the real thing, a vette will damage more with a smaller impact. As with most things in life, you give up something to gain another.

These blanks have thinner walls, which make them more susceptible to damage from weights, hooks, abraision and other impacts. The material itself is tougher but there is a greater reduction of material than there is an increase of strength. Higher modulous is stiffer so if they built it with a thick wall, you would be talking about musky blanks in bass tapers

Exactly what I think. High end anything for the most part needs more attention then low end.  High end is usually cutting edge and made of more delicate parts and require more care and attention.

[roadwarrior]

Someone answer my question ;D

What kind of warranty do the GLX rods have, and does the IMX warranty differ from the GLX?

Thanks ;D

I'm going to be ordering a GLX within the next few days but after seeing this thread I want to know about the warranty.

thanks

Never had a problem with them. I've broke about 5 loomis rods. I feel 4 of them were my fault and maybe the 5th. Dont worry about it. Topics like this just start some complaining.

Fletchero's post

Think of the IMX/GLX blanks as corvettes and the Gator/All Star blanks as a steel bodied car. Both will hold up to almost anything until you screw up and hit something. And just like the real thing, a vette will damage more with a smaller impact. As with most things in life, you give up something to gain another.

These blanks have thinner walls, which make them more susceptible to damage from weights, hooks, abraision and other impacts. The material itself is tougher but there is a greater reduction of material than there is an increase of strength. Higher modulous is stiffer so if they built it with a thick wall, you would be talking about musky blanks in bass tapers

Exactly what I think. High end anything for the most part needs more attention then low end. High end is usually cutting edge and made of more delicate parts and require more care and attention.

Great summary.

8-)

[Micro]

Flechero, whether or not "your buttons are pushed" are the least of my concerns.

I'm NOT talking about the black rings in the picture. I'm talking about the gold rings, the one in the AS ad, the one on the rod I posted, the ones AS hangs a Fuji tag on (on the rods I've seen) and the ones the OL writer described as gold cermet. The "blow out prices" are still retail, ad AS wopuldn't buy even at cheap retail prices. Your "too pricely" stuff is nonsense.

And I don't give a rats a. if Mother Theresa (who I'm sure you've also consulted) came to you in a vision and told you something different. The guides are advertised as being Fuji, and if they are gold Fujis, they are gold cermet.

[roadwarrior]

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[senile1]

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