Browning? What? HUH????

[RobDar]

so browning reels and equip...

if you go to their website, click reels, it tells you you are leaving browning and going to a "browning licensee" website...

and you end up at bass pro...

...so is BPS gear and Browning gear are the same thing then?  just with a different name plate?

[deerhuneter02]

They probably are then.

[Tpayneful]

Bass Pro owns Browning.  If you read the descriptions of the baitcast reels, Bass Pro Shops, Browning and Pflueger all have the same types of backlash controls that Shimano, Diawa and Abu Garcia don't offer.  Several guys have suggested that Pflueger is making the reels for Browning and BPS.  

[surfer]

In the Orland BPS they have as many Browning and BPS rods as all the other combined.  Makes you think.

[.dsaavedra.]

its a well known fact that BPS owns Browning (or at least i thought it was well known) but im not sure who makes the reels for them. i have heard its pflueger, but im not sure.

[.RM.]

Just a little clarification here.

No one owns Browning® except Browning®. BPS is the Registered Distribution Licensee to the Browning® Brand and that is rods/reels and some tackle. Also Browning® builds Browning® reels and rods nobody else. Back in the late 90's Quantum® was the manufacture for the reels and some rod series. That has since changed....

Just my .02¢

Tight Lines All!!!  

[The_Natural]

Browning, Bass Pro, and Pflueger reels are all made by Silstar.

[Micro]

Actually, I believe Pinnacle is the OEM manufacturer of BPS and Browning reels . Pinnacle competes against itself in this respect. Pinnacle manufactures more OEM store-branded reels than it makes under its own name. Due to confidentiality agreements, you won't hear much about it. But this can clue you in a bit:

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewpinnacle2007reelpreview.html

Browning doesn't make much that's Browning - even Browning guns. That's the ways its always been. European Browning guns are made by Fabrique Nationale with plants in Belgium and Portugal. Brownings marked "Made in Japan" are made by Miroku. US made Brownings are made by FN in South Carolina.

Browning is a great names, but has never really built anything for itself. When John Browning designed something, he went to other manufacturers to produce it - Colt, Winchester, FN, etc. That's the way it is now, too.

[Micro]

Browning, Bass Pro, and Pflueger reels are all made by Silstar.

Silstar = Pinnacle.  Pinnacle makes Browning and BPS.   I didn't know they made Pflueger, but I never asked my sources about Pflueger.  

[Guest the_muddy_man]

Browning, Bass Pro, and Pflueger reels are all made by Silstar.

Hey Can you tell your source of reference for this statement. I have found that not to be true of Pflueger, I am curious where you got that from and if it can be documented. I may h ave the wrong info myself, that is why I am asking;

Thanks

[Cephkiller]

Browning, Bass Pro, and Pflueger reels are all made by Silstar.

Hey Can you tell your source of reference for this statement. I have found that not to be true of Pflueger, I am curious where you got that from and if it can be documented. I may h ave the wrong info myself, that is why I am asking;

Thanks

I heard that exact same thing from a Shimano rep

OK, not really

[RobDar]

Just a little clarification here.

No one owns Browning® except Browning®. BPS is the Registered Distribution Licensee to the Browning® Brand and that is rods/reels and some tackle. Also Browning® builds Browning® reels and rods nobody else. Back in the late 90's Quantum® was the manufacture for the reels and some rod series. That has since changed....

Just my .02¢

Tight Lines All!!!

now I call that clarity! thanx reelmech!

[RobDar]

Silstar is a division of Freetime Group Australia Pty Lmtd.

( what? huh? who?)

They own...Okuma, Silstar, Rapala, Storm, tuff line, williamson, and ultrabrite...but do not own Browning, BPS...yadda yadda yadda...

they may build the reels under contract though.

this may be a situation where Silstar builds the reels for Browning who then also sells them to BPS...

Why does this has to be so confusing. This is as bad as trying to figure out who is responsible for what part in my wifes dodge neon...LOL!

[Styx]

Browning, Bass Pro, and Pflueger reels are all made by Silstar.

Hey Can you tell your source of reference for this statement. I have found that not to be true of Pflueger, I am curious where you got that from and if it can be documented. I may h ave the wrong info myself, that is why I am asking;

Thanks

Here's the new top of line Pinnacle Matrix II.

Here's the Pflueger Trion

I'm not sure who's making for who, but these reels are kissin' cousins.

[Guest the_muddy_man]

You can't go by looks! There are many LP reels that look alike, The BPS Extreme looks like the ABU Revo's and the Citica's by Shimano have profiles similar to some pflueger products. So you can't go by looks or rumors. The only branded reel I know for sure is the Cableas Prodigy( Says right on the reel made for cabelas by Diawa) and thier ZX reels made by pinnicale. Everyone else is just guessing at this point! I really couldn't give a ratz AZZZZZZZZ who makes the Pfluegers I love em anyway! 8-)

[Guest the_muddy_man]

Browning, Bass Pro, and Pflueger reels are all made by Silstar.

Hey Can you tell your source of reference for this statement. I have found that not to be true of Pflueger, I am curious where you got that from and if it can be documented. I may h ave the wrong info myself, that is why I am asking;

Thanks

I heard that exact same thing from a Shimano rep

OK, not really

AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T COME FROM SOME DOLLAR A WORD EXTINGUISHED AUTHOR

[rebar]

I think Browning is owned by FN and they are in turn owned by some wierd sounding French Co. like Gat or something. This was discussed a lot on some shooting boards last year when they shut the Winchester plant down. Still in the rumour stage but pretty well known and accepted.  lp

[Styx]

You can't go by looks! There are many LP reels that look alike, The BPS Extreme looks like the ABU Revo's and the Citica's by Shimano have profiles similar to some pflueger products. So you can't go by looks or rumors. The only branded reel I know for sure is the Cableas Prodigy( Says right on the reel made for cabelas by Diawa) and thier ZX reels made by pinnicale. Everyone else is just guessing at this point! I really couldn't give a ratz AZZZZZZZZ who makes the Pfluegers I love em anyway! 8-)

These reels are way too similiar in appearence to simply disregard. These puppies are from the same gene pool (not sure which one but the same). Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Guest the_muddy_man]

Ok Look at the Shimano Citica,Pflueger Supreme and President,Bownning Midas,Diawa Procaster all much alike in appearance and vastly different in performance

Look at the Steetz, not much different than the Revo or TDZ, there is a difference but not much in looks and a world of differernce in price ,weight etc>>>>>>>

Like a GMC Envoy and what ever Hundai calls their peice of scrap metal

Point is one style catches on and the outside of things start to look the same, it's the design of nuts and bolts , the guts iof a reel . You judge a reel on Duration of use,serviceability,ease of spool/retrive etc etc

 I

Picking up something based on looks is HOW I GOT MY EX-WIFE,, THAT TAUGHT ME A LESSON  

[burleytog]

The Citica looks absolutely nothing like any other reel.  :-?

[Micro]

I think Browning is owned by FN and they are in turn owned by some wierd sounding French Co. like Gat or something. This was discussed a lot on some shooting boards last year when they shut the Winchester plant down. Still in the rumour stage but pretty well known and accepted. lp

The French firm Giat used to own FN Herstal, Browning and US Repeating Arms (Winchester).  Giat sold that group to the Herstal Group.  The Herstal Group now owns FN Herstal, which in turn owns US Repeating Arms, Browning USA, and FN USA - among others.  

Browning guns are made in a number of plants - Herstal Belgium's FN plant (the traditional "Browning" plant), FN-USA in South Carolina, or Miroku in Japan (which manufactures guns under its own name and the name Charles Daly).

Browning is it's own company - owned by FN Herstal.   BPS does not own Browning.  But BPS apparently is the exclusive distributorship for Browning Fishing products.   BPS may very well license Browning's name - a good mutual agreement in that BPS gets a great name to market, and Browning gets its name out there on good products.  There may be some agreement that BPS conducts the direction of Browning Fishing and manages its name and the products it goes on.  It can be very complicated and NO ONE outside the companies really knows what's going on.

What is for sure is that Browning does not make it own reels.  There is no "Browning Plant" churning out fishing reels.  Pinnacle is known as the OEM nanufacturer of store-brand reels for the largest fishing catalog/e-tailer.  That's BPS.  Pinnacle make BPS and Browning reels.

[Guest the_muddy_man]

The Citica looks absolutely nothing like any other reel. :-?

I have had the Citica and the supreme in my ghands at the same time and there are many similarities in them Again It is better to speak from experience and not opinon!

[burleytog]

The Citica looks absolutely nothing like any other reel. :-?

I have had the Citica and the supreme in my ghands at the same time and there are many similarities in them Again It is better to speak from experience and not opinon!

Other than having a spool, handle, and drag star, they share nothing in appearance.

[Guest the_muddy_man]

The Citica looks absolutely nothing like any other reel. :-?

I have had the Citica and the supreme in my ghands at the same time and there are many similarities in them Again It is better to speak from experience and not opinon!

Other than having a spool, handle, and drag star, they share nothing in appearance.

hen I must be old,feeble and halucinating What can i tell you, I aint an expert but my friend Geno is here right now with hius citica and my supreme bears a strong resembelence so I concede Im too stupid to know what I am talking about, think I will take up another hobby .

[burleytog]

You miss the point entirely... :