linesider7 Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Why do I see so many of these things... Does Kistler have very bad shipping methods? Why don't I see other rods being sold on ebay as "reconditioned to factory specs"? Has anyone purchased one? http://cgi.ebay.com/KISTLER-MAGNESIUM-TELSC-ALL-DAY-FLIP-PITCH-MgADFPSH78T_W0QQitemZ130132166211QQihZ003QQcategoryZ36149QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Quote
Super User 5bass Posted July 13, 2007 Super User Posted July 13, 2007 Evidently Kistler has someone close to them that buys the recon rods to resell for themselves or they list them for Kistler under an assumed name. They are always sold by the same seller, you'll notice the name if you watch the eBay Kistler's enough. I'm not real sure what the deal is with the broken/recon rods but compared to the number of rods they sell, the amount of recons that are sold on eBay is probably a very small percentage of their overall sales. I probably wouldnt consider buying a recon unless it had not lost any of its length while being repaired but thats just me, I'm sure people who buy the recons are happy to get a good quality rod for a fraction of the new price. Quote
Super User flechero Posted July 13, 2007 Super User Posted July 13, 2007 Why don't I see other rods being sold on ebay as "reconditioned to factory specs"? Really, what can you recondition on a rod??? At best you can clean and refill the cork and replace a tip top or guide. This is pure speculation but I'd have to guess these are either warranty returns that had the above done or they might even be rods that didn't pass QC on the build. The original length of 7' 8" has been modified to a current length of 7' 6". Or just glue on a tip top where it broke. :-/ Now that I followed the link, I see... Why not be honest? So what I think I "see" are broken rods from a seemingly dishonest seller... I'd avoid these like the plague. Quote
linesider7 Posted July 13, 2007 Author Posted July 13, 2007 Why don't I see other rods being sold on ebay as "reconditioned to factory specs"? Really, what can you recondition on a rod??? At best you can clean and refill the cork and replace a tip top or guide. This is pure speculation but I'd have to guess these are either warranty returns that had the above done or they might even be rods that didn't pass QC on the build. The original length of 7' 8" has been modified to a current length of 7' 6". Or just glue on a tip top where it broke. :-/ Now that I followed the link, I see... Why not be honest? So what I think I "see" are broken rods from a seemingly dishonest seller... I'd avoid these like the plague. The seller has a 100% positive feedback rating, all for broken kistlers best I can tell. You don't see this with Shimano, Daiwa, etc... Just kind of weird. Quote
Super User burleytog Posted July 13, 2007 Super User Posted July 13, 2007 Possibly because Shimano, Daiwa, Loomis, St Croix, etc. aren't sorry enough to pass off possible junk. Quote
Guest avid Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 I don't think the guy is misrepresenting anything. It's easy enough to read between the lines. I mean rods don't shrink when they get wet right? but to me it's just another example of the Trey Kistler mind set. He may sell alot of rods, but his numbers can't even come close to Loomis, or St. Croix. yet is there anyone out there buying their defects and selling them as "factory reconditioned" If so, I've never seen it. Quote
Super User flechero Posted July 13, 2007 Super User Posted July 13, 2007 I don't think the guy is misrepresenting anything.It's easy enough to read between the lines. I mean rods don't shrink when they get wet right? but to me it's just another example of the Trey Kistler mind set. He may sell alot of rods, but his numbers can't even come close to Loomis, or St. Croix. yet is there anyone out there buying their defects and selling them as "factory reconditioned" If so, I've never seen it. Really, you don't think he is misrepresenting anything? I think there is a very different definition of "repaired" and "reconditioned" about like the difference in a classic car going through a frame off restoration vs. a new paint job and some body work done after a wreck. ...lol It is in Excellent Condition with the KISTLER ATTENTION TO QUALITY. The original length of 7' 8" has been modified to a current length of 7' 6". The only modification is a new Factory Installed Tip Guide. I don't consider any rod to be excellent in condition once it's been shut in a car door. This rod has been repaired at best, not modified- modified would be something like cork re sanded or shaped, etc. Plus it says "Factory Installed Tip Guide." This is apparently how they subsidise the warranty program. Why not KISTLER as the seller ID since they are "factory reconditioned." Seriously, if the Ebay title was something HONEST like: Broken Kistler rods or warranty returns I don't think we would be having this discussion. So here is the net/net: you are either buying a rod that was truly defective and had a new tip slapped on it, or you are buying a rod that was abused, broken and returned.... who really wants either of thos rods??? I sure as heck wouldn't. Also remember that any deduction in a blanks length slows the action and increases the power... so depending on how much rod is missing, you might be getting a very different rod than advertised. For the money they are getting, I would MUCH RATHER buy a new All Star than a broken Kistler. Sorry for the rant... it's just that honesty is such a simple concept... Quote
dbass Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Wow this is weird.. I have never heard of selling reconditioned rods, not even re-mod rods. The only thing I would suspect as being a reconditioned rod would be if a couple of inches of tip was repaired, or if the guides popped the ceramic rings and new guides were wrapped on, or the reel seat came lose and had to be re-set. Noticed this quote.... This rod has been reconditioned to Like New under close factory conditions (a RECONDITIONED/NO WARRANTY label is affixed to rod). It has been modified from its original length to the length indicated in description due to tip breakage in shipment or warranty replacement. Only the Tip has been replaced. All other components are original. It carries no warranty. Factories don't take the time to rebuild blanks were the tips have been broken. I think this might be the guys personal rod, and he put a replacement tip on the rod.Tight Lines!!!! Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted July 13, 2007 Super User Posted July 13, 2007 Hmm... "It carries no warrantry." Buyer beware. You have been warned. Quote
Super User senile1 Posted July 13, 2007 Super User Posted July 13, 2007 A fishing rod is not like an alternator or a starter. You can't replace or recondition much of anything that makes the rod a high quality rod, other than the items already mentioned in ReelMech's (David G.'s) and Flechero's posts. Maybe I'm a paranoid, middle-aged man but I wouldn't take the chance on a reconditioned fishing rod. Quote
Guest avid Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Hey Flech, I see your point, I think there is a very different definition of "repaired" and "reconditioned" technically I suppose your right but to me it was no big deal because it was so obvious that rods had broken tips etc. and he was tryint to market them using madison ave language. but he was open about the rods being shorter than the original models. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that means the rod was broken. I can see that you are a purist when it comes to tackle. I admire that. I'm sending you a pm. talk to ya. avid. Quote
Super User flechero Posted July 13, 2007 Super User Posted July 13, 2007 I was actually just making sure that some of the new guys didn't mistake it for actually reconditioning or "elective" modifications. ...lol I did think the language was obvious to anyone who knew rods. All clear and cool. Quote
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