ALL STAR RODS SUCK!

[blade]

I just broke my forth team all star im10 rods, since FEburary.  I have broke 3 -6'6" med.  to med. hvy. and a 7' hvy.   All have broken about half way up.  I have got the ladt two replaced but I think I am done with them now, they are junk.  So i don't see any need in trading broke junk in for more junk. Anyone else having a problem with all star rods?

[flechero]

I'd be willing to be my life savings that there is more to the story. When rods break halfway up, they have usually been high sticked or pulled against a snag that overloads the rod... or that spot (of breakage) will line up with a place you lean them, or a car window, etc. (and inadvertantly nick or damage them and then they break when loaded)

I think you are going to be disappointed with any decent rod if you don't figure out how you are breaking them. When you break 4 different models in the same place, start looking for reasons in the mirror, not the manufacturer.

In answer to your question, I have used All Star rods for going on 20 years and also build many of my rods on All Star blanks. Have several friends who do the same and know lots of people here who use the rods... once in a while, a rod breaks... usually it's the fault of the user but All Star replaces them to keep people happy.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I think you may have jumped to a wrong conclusion.

[dodgeguy]

i've never broken a team all star im 10 rod and i've landed plenty of 5 lbers with them.they are great rods.

[largemouthslayer]

I have to agree with Flechero......you have to had another cause not catching a fish. Just seems strange different models breaking in the same spot?

[senile1]

Yep, sorry to pile on, but All Star rods have a good reputation.  I hope you find your problem.  Good luck.  

[flyphisher #]

Look at some Ugly sticks.....problem solved.

Me and my partner fish team allstars and some older ones and havent broke one yet......which is suprising.

[RoLo]

As it happens, "Strong" and "Sensitive" and diametrically opposed properties.

I sympathize with high-end rod manufacturers who strive to have both, but simply cannot (hence, lifetime warranties).

Oddly enough, rods given to failure are some of the finest, most sensitive rods available.

Glass composite rods like the Rhino and Ugly Stik are sadly lacking in sensitivity, but won't break in a Tractor-Pull.

Even so, when you get serial breakage, then it's time to scan the field.

Grabbing the rod anywhere above the rod grips is extremely stressful on the blank.

Lifting the rod high up in the air and pulling for all your worth is equally stressful.

I'm often guilty of doing just that, when I get angry with a snag >

(Perhaps I need Anger Managment classes) Anyway, I get away with it,

because in bad areas I'm usually holding an IM-6 stick (intermediate-modulus).

Your All-Star rods probably have a higher tensile modulus than the rods I'm using.

I tried many times, but I just can't break a Team Daiwa Light & Tough.

Why? Because they use an IM-6 blank, the same as the GL3 Loomis.

Roger

[basscat73]

My favorite spinnerbait rod is an All-star and it's great. Plus, it's a hand-me-down from a good friend who fished that rod many years. My best musky rod is an All-star and it helped me land several 25+ lb. fish.

I'd suggest selling any other All-stars you have in BR Flea Market forum. Sell 'em for cheap though, because they suck!

[Redlinerobert]

Definitely a problem with the rod "user" and not the rod......

[blade]

That is strange that is my fault, when I have around 20 other rods from several different brands ( Shimano,loomis,kistler,daiwa,falcon,st. croix) and have not had this trouble. I own two all star classic rods that are 10+ years old and have never had any trouble out of them.  And it just so happens that today I was fishing with a buddy of mine and he broke one of his all star im10. We bought them from the same place so maybe a bad batch?  I guess I could have worded the subject alittle different, something like "trouble with all star rods" wouold have been better but i am just aggravated alittle by this.  I agree they stand by their rods and I can get new ones every time i break one but what good is it if it is just going to break again.  The last new one I got I fished with for one morning for about three hours before I broke it, but I guess its all my fault.

[Guest SkyChimp]

I have 3 of these rods and really like them all.  My biggest bass on an All Star is almost 6 lbs and I've since caught a few large bowfin and the rods performed perfectly.

On a side note, while I like the All Stars, my favorite rods are Browning Medallions sold by BPS.  I have several casting and several spinning rods.  They are strong and sensitive.   The actions tend to be a wee bit lighter than what is printed on them.  A medium-heavy feels more like a heavy-medium - if that makes any sense.  They just feel very good to me and at $50 they won't break you.  I've yet to break one and mine tend to get some abuse (maybe cuz they're inexpensive).    

[Guest Bountiful_Waters]

Please let us see if we can diagnose this. When the rod(s) break, what are you doing? Are you breaking rods while setting the hook or on a snag, etc.? I am not pointing fingers, just curious what the problem is. I am not an All Star user, but in 30 yrs of fishing from Panama on up to here, I have only broken two rods and it was my fault. Give us a little more detail friend.

[AlanM85]

 I can't help but wonder what exactly you're doing when the rods are breaking halfway up? Pretending they're horses and riding them around the boat? Staging sword fights with your buddy? Most of my rods are All Star, for one reason... They're great rods. I've never had one break.  

[cart7t]

Most rods I've ever broken, excluding closing doors on them or stepping on them, were due to overstressing the rod when snagged.

I own a Titanium, TAS and several Classics.  I love Allstars and have never had a problem.  In fact, I plan on adding more.

[Siebert Outdoors]

2 Ways of over stressing a rod to breaking point

Lifting fish into the boat

Setting the hook with the rod to high in the air and over flexing the tip

[Pond Hopper]

I have a variety of rods, and I beat the hell out of them.  Still the only rods I have broke were when swinging  fish onto shore, and thats a total of 2 rods (including some cheapos).  I think there is a user error somewhere.  

[blade]

I have broke two lifting fish but not big fish 3 pounders or smaller and have broke one on hookset and broke the other while fighting a fish.  I fish hard and have for over 15 years so I am pretty sure I know what I am doing.  The bottom line is if a rod cannot handle me swinging a 3 pound fish in or handle me setting the hook on a fish then I don't want it. Everyone on here acts like its my fault, but like i said i have fish for over 15 years and i fish here on ky lake not in litlle ponds or mudholes and I am on the water around 150 days a year.  I guess ya'll missed the part where I said I have two older all star classics that I have never had any trouble out of.

[Guest Bountiful_Waters]

From what your saying, those rods should handle that. You asked for help and we are trying to figure out what went wrong. The responses I assume were based on the subject, which was a little harsh. I think I would check out with your supplier to see if there are anymore complaints. I would then call Allstar again and advise them that you asked for guidance on this 10k member website because you are an unhappy customer.

[SPEEDBEAD.]

I guess you are looking for some type of pat on the back and someone to tell you, "You're right. You did absolutely nothing wrong. Shame on them for producing such an inferior product."   :

Not gonna happen when you accept ZERO responsibility for adding the stress to your rod.

Seriously, take a look at what may have (just maybe) happened on your end that would contribute to the blank failing. That is all people really want to know in order to help you diagnose the problem. If, in the end, you are certain that there was no user error, maybe contact the company and tastefully express your frustration. Yelling at them wont fix the problem.

Listen to RoLo and Flechero....I think they know a few things about fishing rods.

Wayne

[flechero]

Blade,

No offense meant, I see people who have been fishing for 40 yrs or more that still don't know what they are doing. The length of time or body of water doesn't mean anything.

Breakage by swinging 3 pounders into the boat on a med power rod is NOT a defect or rods fault. Tie onto a 3 lb weight and swing it around with your Loomis... and then use the Expeditor.

Do you use these All Stars for some specific technique? I'm starting to think that they are your spinnerbait rods. (as those seem to take more abuse) Also, are you a braid user?

If you broke one by simply fighting a fish... LOOSEN YOUR DRAG.

It is entirely possible that you and your friend bought a bad batch of rods.... but from what I have seen so far, I'm leaning towards the other possibility. A nick in the rods surface caused by any number of things can cause a failure when fully loaded, or torqued. You probably should buy another brand though, seems like your mind is made up and All Star is likely tired of buying you new rods.

Not trying to start anything but also don't like to see ANY brand trashed for things that appear to me to be the result of the user.

[FishTank]

Back in March 06' I purchased an All Star Classic rod and it cracked and eventually broke after a fight with a large catfish.  I took it back to shop I purchased it at and they exchanged it for another and the same thing happend on a bass the first day I used it.  I contacted All Stars customer service and was given the run around.  I was able to return my rod for a full refund and applied the cash to a Loomis and have never looked back.  This was the first rod I have had break on me in 30+ years of fishing.

One thing though, I did like the first All Star rod I had up until it broke.  I went back to the store with confidence to just exchange for another that would last and hold up.  That did not happen   :'(

[dbass]

Great points flechero, this is almost like the Falcon bashing thread..

Tight Lines !!

[blade]

No i am not a braid user, and I never said that it was totally the rods fault I simply mean that if a rod can't swing 3 pounders than I don't need it.  I swing 5 pounders every now and then but try not to make a habbit of it.  I know there are a lot of guys on here that love all stars but I didn't mean to press any buttons but i am displeased with this

[roadwarrior]

Okay...I think points have been made and restated so no one should feel like they are being cut-off, but enough is enough, so let's move on...

This thread is closed.

-Kent  a.k.a. roadwarrior

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