TD-Z's $199 shipped @ Cabelas

[burleytog]

The left hand retrieve model is still available.

[FishTank]

I have not fished or seen a TD-Z.  How does it compare to other reels on the market?  

[Guest avid]

I hate to rain on the parade, but these do not appear to be the same TD-Z's Daiwa was selling to the US market.  Don't get me wrong, this is no doubt a quality reel.  Take it from someone with 4 TD-z's, you can't go wrong.

But look at the line capacity.  100 yards of 10lb test?

That's a bit skimpy.  

My 103H, and 103 ML is rated at 120 yards for 12 lb test, 100 yds. for 14#

My 100M is rated at 120 yds. for 14#, and 100 yds. for 16#.

I can't help but wonder if there are other subtle differences.

I'll bet this was a reel designed and merchandised for the asian market.

[The_Natural]

I hate to rain on the parade, but these do not appear to be the same TD-Z's Daiwa was selling to the US market.  Don't get me wrong, this is no doubt a quality reel.  Take it from someone with 4 TD-z's, you can't go wrong.

But look at the line capacity.  100 yards of 10lb test?

That's a bit skimpy.  

My 103H, and 103 ML is rated at 120 yards for 12 lb test, 100 yds. for 14#

My 100M is rated at 120 yds. for 14#, and 100 yds. for 16#.

I can't help but wonder if there are other subtle differences.

I'll bet this was a reel designed and merchandised for the asian market.

Actually, the 103, 105, and 100M were all available in the US.   The 100M came out after the 103 and 105, and was primarily made as a pitching reel capable of holding a good amount of heavy line.  It was only available in the US, hence the 'US Trail' marking on the top of the reel.  The 100M has the original Magforce anti-backlash system versus the magforce V that comes on the 103 and 105.  All TD-Z's roll off the same assembly line in Japan, with the 100M being the only model that was exclusively in the US.  Bass Pro actually quite carrying the 100M almost a year before Daiwa discontinued TD-Z, but continued to carry the 103 and 105.  I went to Cabelas and noticed that the 105 is already sold out...I'm sure due in great part to this forum  ;D

[The_Natural]

The 103 is still available you guys!  There is barely any difference!

[Redlinerobert]

So last night I showed this page to my girlfriend.  She ordered me another reel!  Bless her heart....

Of course she had no idea I had already ordered two of them.... ;D

[Hot n Tot]

I hate to rain on the parade, but these do not appear to be the same TD-Z's Daiwa was selling to the US market. Don't get me wrong, this is no doubt a quality reel. Take it from someone with 4 TD-z's, you can't go wrong.

But look at the line capacity. 100 yards of 10lb test?

That's a bit skimpy.

My 103H, and 103 ML is rated at 120 yards for 12 lb test, 100 yds. for 14#

My 100M is rated at 120 yds. for 14#, and 100 yds. for 16#.

I can't help but wonder if there are other subtle differences.

I'll bet this was a reel designed and merchandised for the asian market.

This is the exact same model number (TD-Z105H) that Tacke Tour reviewed a few years back, and they reported it as having the same line capacity..100 yds of 10#. It seems like not much, but then how far does one cast? I wouldn't use these reels for trolling anyway. Well, I hope they work out because I ordered two of them!  

[Bushwacker]

Looks like there all sold out now.  I have two 105's on the way.  I am a little excited!

[armesjr]

Looks like they sold out, the link no longer works.  

[Redlinerobert]

They are GONE.  I'll bet 99% of them went to BassResource members.  ;D

[Raul]

The difference between the 100M "US Tail" and the 103H&P is the line capacity ( deeper spool for heavier lines ) and the handle length ( 80 mm vs 90 mm ). The 105 is the "finesse" version, shallower spool ( wich in practical terms means less force needed to initiate the rotation ) so less line capacity.

[Captain Chaos II]

Snooze, I lose.

If anyone went overboard with their order and needs to get rid of one at cost, pm me please.  I'd really like one.  Paypal is best+easiest but could probably scrounge up the dinero.

Thanx

[Fishing Doug]

Are the spools interchangeable?  I have the 105's on the way and don't anticipate line cap being an issue..but you never know.  just wondering if I have alternatives for aftermarket spools.

d

[The_Natural]

Are the spools interchangeable?  I have the 105's on the way and don't anticipate line cap being an issue..but you never know.  just wondering if I have alternatives for aftermarket spools.

d

The spools are interchangeable.  Zpi also makes magnesium aftermarket spools for the TD-Z, and come in a deep and shallow model, and your choice of Legend Blue or Racing Red.  You can't buy a better spool than the ZPI...

shallow...

deep...

[Raul]

Line capacity ........ hmmmmm, line capacity has more to do with how much you feel comfortable.

For example, my CU200 can hold a lot of line ( 150 yds ) but after some years I observed a detail, from out of 150 yards that the reel can hold actually I beat the heck out to less than 100 yards, if I ever reach to the point where I exceed those 100 yards the remaining 50 yards in the reel coil up,  cast and perform so bad that they are in practical terms good for the trash bin. So I really don 't need 150 yards if I 'm going to trash 50 yards, money is not an issue performance is, I can fish with 100 yards and get better performance ( what I care about ).

On the other hand,

1.- More line ---> the spool weights more, therefore in order to initiate the rotation of the spool you need more force or a heavier weight.

2.- When you look at the spool in your mind the only thing that raises a flag is the capacity, but you haven 't studied the spool, what you don 't take in consideration in your mind is what makes the spool different and how this affects the performance and the easiness of use. Shallower spools have larger inner circumference than deeper spools, this means that your line will coil on a larger diameter centre, the coils will be looser, looser coils mean more flatness when out of the reel this translates into better performance of the line, specially for certain application like worming where line flatness is important.

3.- Shallower spools weight less than deeper spools, the more weight you reduce the easier it will rotate.

I 'd rather fish with 80 yards of line that are not going to coil up badly than fishing with 100 yards of slinky. Line capacity is important when you fish under circumstances that require having a lot of line, but for regular bass fishing you don 't need a reel that can hold a lot of line, you are not fishing for marlin, tuna, stripers or muskies that can grow very large and that can strip your reel.

[Fishing Doug]

Line capacity ........ hmmmmm, line capacity has more to do with how much you feel comfortable.

For example, my CU200 can hold a lot of line ( 150 yds ) but after some years I observed a detail, from out of 150 yards that the reel can hold actually I beat the heck out to less than 100 yards, if I ever reach to the point where I exceed those 100 yards the remaining 50 yards in the reel coil up, cast and perform so bad that they are in practical terms good for the trash bin. So I really don 't need 150 yards if I 'm going to trash 50 yards, money is not an issue performance is, I can fish with 100 yards and get better performance ( what I care about ).

On the other hand,

1.- More line ---> the spool weights more, therefore in order to initiate the rotation of the spool you need more force or a heavier weight.

2.- When you look at the spool in your mind the only thing that raises a flag is the capacity, but you haven 't studied the spool, what you don 't take in consideration in your mind is what makes the spool different and how this affects the performance and the easiness of use. Shallower spools have larger inner circumference than deeper spools, this means that your line will coil on a larger diameter centre, the coils will be looser, looser coils mean more flatness when out of the reel this translates into better performance of the line, specially for certain application like worming where line flatness is important.

3.- Shallower spools weight less than deeper spools, the more weight you reduce the easier it will rotate.

I 'd rather fish with 80 yards of line that are not going to coil up badly than fishing with 100 yards of slinky. Line capacity is important when you fish under circumstances that require having a lot of line, but for regular bass fishing you don 't need a reel that can hold a lot of line, you are not fishing for marlin, tuna, stripers or muskies that can grow very large and that can strip your reel.

Raul,

All good information...

I fish a lot of smaller lakes where our 'hawgs' are 6lbers so I don't need a lot of super heavy line..the next world record is not likely to end up on the end of my line.  Also, I fish a lot of lighter baits-1/4 and 3/8 traps/cranks from time to time and am hoping the shallow spool will be just the ticket for these....if not, it appears to be a quick fix with an aftermarket spool.

FD

[The_Natural]

Raul is exactly right, and he posted something that I always preach, yet don't ever hear others mention.  I'm talking about line capacity and the effect it has on spool weight.  It doesn't matter how light in weight the spool is...if it holds 140yds of 12lb line, it will weigh a ton, and a small bait will not produce the necessary inertia or torque needed to make an effective cast.   I think line capacity is overrated; I prefer shallow spools for most of my casting outfits.  The only rigs I use deeper spools on are my C-rig, flippin' and spinnerbait rods.  I have used my Pixies for almost every technique, and have never casted out the entire spool.

[Redlinerobert]

I'm with you here Natural.  It's not like bass take blisering runs anyways.  The only reels I have deep spools on are my striper rigs.  

[Bushwacker]

Being a guy with more of a muskie background than bass I will even say that for everything but trolling, you only need 100 yards max for even the biggest and baddest 'skies. With the quality of drag and the quality of line today, those big, high capacity spools are unnessasary. Even the hardcore muskie guides here in MN are going with the 250 size reels instead of the big and heavy 300 and 400 sizes. So 100 yds of 10lb test should be more than enough for bass. I am a superline freak and fish it on 75% of my reel(a lot of toothy fish around my area) and I always use mono backing and about 75 yds of braid. I have never had the mono touch the water in doing this technique.

I never thought of the weight of line being an issue, but that makes a lot of sense. That is really something to consider in matching a reel to a technique. This might be my favorite thread ever. Put me into the "Majors" in my baitcasters and teaching things about spool capacity and line weight!!