Shimano Saraha or Pflueger President Spinning Reel

[TrickyVT1887]

Honestly it might have been a bad batch or something or maybe people just don't know how to use a baitcaster that are buying them but i have seen alot of trions returned, this is also true with the lower $50-60 plueger reels. I threw my cousins once and this was the second time out after he had bought it and i noticed that when you would reel the reel quickly then stop the reel would make a loud clicking sound and the spool would keep moving some i have seen this happen in several trions returned which seemed to me to make it a comon problem now he's throwing the quantum Accurist AC500 CX and hasn't had any problems with it, their spinning reels however are great i have never really seen any problems with them our guide series reels which are made by shakespeare, the only problem with the guide series is sometimes you will get one with bad components mainly in the anti reverse but a reel for 30 dollars with 10 bearings is hard to beat, not critisizing just making a statement on what ive observed

[FishTank]

I have to go with the Saraha.  I own Saraha 750 my son and my wife use it more than me but this little reel is a monster.  I fished a friend's President and it is a fine reel.  Both reels are smooth and well built.  I think the Saraha felt better when I hooked on to a fish.  The President felt sluggish and the drag was not as good but this is just a personal observation.  Both are fine reels and a good value.

[Guest the_muddy_man]

Thank you Bass The Trion comes in at 100 bucks. The eschleons are the low end Pfluegers and I have no experience with them at all. I just got my first Accurist Baitcaster I plan to use it at the Fork Ill let all know IT IS SILKY SMOOTH THOUGH

[Big T]

Mercedes Benz owns the Crysler Corp, but that does mean that a Dodge Neon is the same ball park as a Merceded Slk Coupe either, therefore it is not a logical conclusion to say that a Shakepeare reel gets the same parts as say a Pflueger or a Penn reel that is owned by the K2 corp. But that just my .02 cents worth. ;D

[TrickyVT1887]

my .02 to that is that chrysler is also up for sale by mercedes benz no relevance to fishing sorry and i never said a penn was like a pfluegar but there are many similarities between the pfuegar and the shakespeare just as quantnum is a division of zebco and so on and so forth and the fact of the matter is G loomis is owned by shimano so long story short i was stating a fact that was blown out of proportion that shakespeare made pflueger

[Maxximus Redneckus]

I think it has more to do with care of your reels then manufacturer,I seen a guy take a 60,000  h2  into a creek and blow it up tryin to get back out IF he knew what he was doin it would have not blown up,same goes for rods i have seen ppl break  300 dollar rods with little effort and no common sense,all boils down to who is buying this stuff if you ask me now days there are a lot of ppl with a lot of money and a lot of ignorance...

[dodgeguy]

my .02 to that is that chrysler is also up for sale by mercedes benz no relevance to fishing sorry and i never said a penn was like a pfluegar but there are many similarities between the pfuegar and the shakespeare just as quantnum is a division of zebco and so on and so forth and the fact of the matter is G loomis is owned by shimano so long story short i was stating a fact that was blown out of proportion that shakespeare made pflueger

being a chrysler master tech for 14 years i will say i can't wait until mercedes sells us.mercedes has done nothing good for us and every part of theirs we use breaks anyways.

[OkobojiEagle]

bassin1887... I assume Gander Mountain is not going to continue selling those defective Trions, right.

[TrickyVT1887]

bassin1887... I assume Gander Mountain is not going to continue selling those defective Trions, right.

actually since we have received the new ones with the new braking system i haven't seen any come back so i'm assuming that they're better now and i cant remember whether it was the reels with the plastic or metal frames so that too could have been a factor i'll post if i see any more returned or any reels in that matter that we get many defectives of

[fish-fighting-illini]

 Man seems the guy stated a fact, never claimed he wa an expert and got ripped for it. He works at a tackle store that sells reels so he sees more reels than any of us probably. The facts are he saw a bunch of Pfluegers come back and not other brands period fact end of story. I happen to like Pfluegers but Bass has a point and I will be keeping my eye out for problems.

No offense and not my place but cut the guy a break the working there thing crack seemed uncalled for and not in the spirit of the forum.

As far as Abu's they probably do seem to make some good stuff in the C3's or C4's etc but they've also made some real "Zebcoish" junk in the Cardinal series and some others for quite a few years. Nearly all manufacturers make some low end stuff to go with the high end stuff so to imply that Diawa, Abu and Shimano only make quality stuff is definately not factual.

[Guest the_muddy_man]

Mr Illlini Here Are the facts once again to prove working in a tackle store does not make one an expert h he just stated I AM NO SURE IF THEY RETURNED THE PLASTIC REEELS NOT THE METAL REELS Correct?

Then a few posts back he stated I HAVE SEEN TRION AFTER TRION COME BACK TO THE STORE

And we were talking about baitcasters Because he states so in his first post and also says that later on he wasnt sure about the spinning reels

are you guys ready for the proff of the pudding TRIONS ARE ONLY MADE OF ALUMINUM the Eschelons and Summits are the graphite NOT PLASTIC but GRAPHITE bodied Pfluegers.

CASE CLOSED ***************

If someone explains that their experince of working in a tackle store is why they are making a statement based on observation than they are using that as a credential to prove thier point.

[fish-fighting-illini]

Muddy good point about the details they were a little sloppy. Apparently the guy did personaly see more Pfluegers of some type come back vs any other brand, on the days that he worked. That seems to be a fact. Exactly what model reels etc seemed sketchy.

The guy is also fairly new to the forums. The responses just didn't seem the right way to go. Just MO thats all.

[Guest the_muddy_man]

10-4 This is not a mean spirited convesation People can disagree without being disagreeable  

[fish-fighting-illini]

 Now that we have successfuly hi-jacked the guys thread I'll try to get it back on track. lol

 Bass - On spinning reels, the Sahara sells for around the same price as the Pflueger President. I don't own a Sahara so I can't comment about it but I have not read a lot of comments on this site pro or con on it. The President has had many supporters and some cons. For the $20 I'd step up to the Symetre or the Medalist reels as insurance. Both of those have been written about with a lot of high praise and very few neg's. I own both the Symetre and the President but haven't had enough time on the water to judge. If you are the type that gets reels serviced often or are concerned about getting one repaired the Pfluegers seem to be a bit more challenging to get that done. I for one would probably buy a brand new reel for $60 before spending $25 repair and $15 to ship but thats just me.

Finaly I think the great Pflueger - Shimano spinning reel debate is as about as passionate an argument as the 85 Bears 79 Dolhins  or Steelers 49er greatest ever etc

and not likely to go away anytime soon!

[Bass Mekanik]

I have used a Pfluger President reel for a couple years now and only had one malfunction.  Even though this reel is not intended for salt water use i brought it beach snooking with me and it didn't like that to say the least.  Salt and sand in gears and anti-reverse broke.  Got it replaced for free and have caught hundreds of bass since.  I have used an old Symtre zero and a newer 2500 and I prefer the 2500 Symtre over my President.  I like how they come with Anti-rsut bearings also.  To sum it all up IMHO Symtre>President.