Martin dq'd again?

[DinkDonkey30]

Looks like Scott Martin's been busted or called out for the no info rule at Pasquotank. He says he doesn't think he broke the rules but also doesn't think he can pass a poly. That's a pretty bad black eye on his brand.

[F14A-B]

Good grief..

18 minutes ago, DinkDonkey30 said:

Looks like Scott Martin's been busted or called out for the no info rule at Pasquotank. He says he doesn't think he broke the rules but also doesn't think he can pass a poly. That's a pretty bad black eye on his brand.

Where did you get that information from?

[Skunkmaster-k]

That Scott Martin is a chatty kind of fella . He likes to visit with folks , he’s a man of the people. One heck of a nice guy. Salt of the earth. He doesn’t want to stifle someone else’s free speech. I respect that. 

[F14A-B]

He’s not DQ’d yet. He has to take a lie detector test though and states he doesn’t think he did anything wrong.

 

We will see very soon. 

[MN Fisher]

2 minutes ago, F14A-B said:

He has to take a lie detector test though

Ah yes - trust the pseudo-science again. Why don't they just cast chicken bones or gaze into their quartz spheres - it'd be about as accurate.

[DinkDonkey30]

4 hours ago, F14A-B said:

Good grief..

Where did you get that information from?

A YouTube channel that follows bass fishing and is pretty credible. He was one of the first to report the last few dqs. Supposedly he has been directly in contact with Martin about what's going on and has been told by Martin he will be kept in the loop on what he decides as far as taking the poly or not. Some other pros have stated the believe this is an ongoing thing with Martin both to reports and on personal channels. Granted that's more or less hearsay but it's awfully suspicious at this point. I personally have no idea if it's true or not but I'm interested to see what others have also seen or heard reported obviously not from the 2nd uncles grand dad's buddies kid but actual information. 

[IYAOYAS]

It's confirmed Scott replied on one of the fishtubers channel about it saying he was optimistic and thanking everyone for the support

 

[Jar11591]

12 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

Ah yes - trust the pseudo-science again. Why don't they just cast chicken bones or gaze into their quartz spheres - it'd be about as accurate.

Listening to Ish Monroe on Mercer’s podcast was absolutely mind-numbing. He was advocating hard for greatly expanding the use of polygraph tests andt to start handing out life time bans when people fail them. 

[MN Fisher]

4 minutes ago, Jar11591 said:

Listening to Ish Monroe on Mercer’s podcast was absolutely mind-numbing. He was advocating hard for greatly expanding the use of polygraph tests andt to start handing out life time bans when people fail them. 

Obviously he drank the kool-aid. Study after study proves that polygraphs are inconclusive and regularly give false readings. Reason the Justice Dept has forbidden their use as evidence in court cases.

[redux]

Can we get links or channel names?

[DinkDonkey30]

27 minutes ago, redux said:

Can we get links or channel names?

Get Ur Fish On is the YouTuber that discussed it yesterday. Multiple anglers have discussed the FL dq. I agree polys aren’t the most trustworthy system but they aren’t useless either. The bigger problem I have is he literally just got busted only self reporting because he knew he was caught and now he’s caught again. Personally I think if it comes about he’s guilty it should be a 1 year ban. I also don’t like the no information rules but if they are going to have them and an angler is blatantly braking them you have to send a message it won’t be tolerated.

[king fisher]

If the only way to enforce a rule is with a polygraph test, than the rule should not be be a rule.  Either find a way to write the no information rules that allow for fair enforcement, or don't have the rule.

[DinkDonkey30]

1 hour ago, king fisher said:

If the only way to enforce a rule is with a polygraph test, than the rule should not be be a rule.  Either find a way to write the no information rules that allow for fair enforcement, or don't have the rule.

Polys aren’t the only way to enforce rules. The last Martin DQ had video evidence. Recorded calls, paper trails of bought and sold waypoints, eyewitnesses are other ways rules are enforced. I don’t disagree though the no information rule does need addressed. Honestly I don’t care if they remove it all together. With all the other tech in fishing now no info rules don’t do a whole lot. 

[BFLChamp]

If this is true, Scott Martin should be banned from competitive bass fishing. This would make his 4th such offense. It gets to a point after probably..once that it isn't unintentional. I know he has a lot of fanboys and all that but popularity aside. 

[Logan S]

1 hour ago, king fisher said:

If the only way to enforce a rule is with a polygraph test, than the rule should not be be a rule.  Either find a way to write the no information rules that allow for fair enforcement, or don't have the rule.

It's an honor system rule...there's no other way to enforce it.  The poly really is just keeping the honest anglers honest.  

 

Or put another way, it legitimizes the rule...because otherwise there is no assurance that the rule was being followed.  

 

Unfortunately there has to be some type of rule to eliminate information gathering, because with how good the anglers are and the impact of technology....It would simply become a contest of who has the the best information network and not who the best angler is.  There's other ways you can do it for sure, this seems to be the only way the leagues want to handle it though.  

[king fisher]

Other sports have rules that are not easy to enforce, but they don't use a polygraph test to enforce them.  A pitcher in Baseball is not allowed to use any foreign substance on his fingers in order to enhance movement on a pitch.  If he is caught throwing the old spit ball he will be punished.  It doesn't matter if the batter and umpire suspect him of the infraction, he has to be caught red handed breaking the rule.  How many pitchers would pass or fail a polygraph?  It would be ridicules to give them the test.  Sure there are pitchers that have found a way to get around the rule, but a polygraph is not the way to catch them.  An umpire can inspect the ball, pockets, hair, hat and any other place a player may hide or apply foreign substance by the pitcher and catcher.  They can stop the game walk out on the mound and check the ball any time they want.  They can watch video and talk to coaches to see if they have noticed any infraction of the rules.  They do not care what the players, fans, or a polygraph administrator think.  The umpire looks for hard facts period.  

     If a rule can not be enforced in any sport by hard facts, weather it's a pitcher in baseball or a mechanic altering a stock car, the rule either needs to be dropped, or changed to accommodate fare and logical enforcement.

      I say let them get all the information they want.  Keep the no fishing rule on any lake in the schedule, because that is a rule than can be enforced.  If they fish the lake and get caught they are out. 

      Most of the time an angler would get to much information any way.  They still have to go catch the bass.  I don't know how many times I have had a hot tip, hurt my fishing.  I spend half the day trying to make the great information I have pay off, rather than go find and catch my fish.  If they could all solicit waypoints they would break the internet downloading all the waypoints people would give or sell.  Then they would have to spend all practice trying to find out which way points were best, which is what they would do if they hadn't received information in the first place.  The best anglers will still win.  A guide could give me his secret honey hole location, and what bait to throw, and Jacob Wheeler is still going to make me look like the armature I am.

[F14A-B]

2 hours ago, DinkDonkey30 said:

Polys aren’t the only way to enforce rules. The last Martin DQ had video evidence. Recorded calls, paper trails of bought and sold waypoints, eyewitnesses are other ways rules are enforced. I don’t disagree though the no information rule does need addressed. Honestly I don’t care if they remove it all together. With all the other tech in fishing now no info rules don’t do a whole lot. 

Who was the snitch? Sounds like an undercover agent 😂

[bowhunter63]

Maybe Scott should tell Bass to stick it. Hit a different circuit 

[Catt]

Like father...like son 😉

[Pumpkin Lizard]

4 hours ago, bowhunter63 said:

Maybe Scott should tell Bass to stick it. Hit a different circuit 

 

If it's true and apparently there are text messages according to "Get Ur Fish On", then after getting DQd 3 times in two seasons who is going to want him. "Get Ur Fish On" is in direct contact with Martin too. He seems to have credible information.

 

A few anglers have voiced concerns about his integrity before. If he gets DQd or doesn't take a poly I think his BASS career might be over.

[TnRiver46]

Now that the channel this chatter is coming from has been revealed, I believe nothing 

[Pumpkin Lizard]

1 hour ago, TnRiver46 said:

Now that the channel this chatter is coming from has been revealed, I believe nothing 

Why? He claims he is getting info from Scott Martin.

[TnRiver46]

He very well may be, that channel is just a snake in the grass that I dont listen to, right or wrong 

[DinkDonkey30]

17 hours ago, F14A-B said:

Who was the snitch? Sounds like an undercover agent 😂

Im not sure. All I know is BASS said they had the video but would not be releasing it. My understanding was if Scott self reported they would keep the video private. My guess is whoever helped him would look bad as well and didn't want that attention. So it's probably someone famous like another pro or possibly YouTuber ect. Otherwise I cant see why they would keep the video private.Supposedly some other pros had seen the video as well. 

[TnRiver46]

Just a guess, I was assuming (you know how that goes) that he uploaded a video and didn’t realize there was a violation in it, then took it off YT. Lots of those videos show chatter at gas pumps, etc