NPFL DQ

[JHoss]

12 minutes ago, Logan S said:

This was FLW - now MLF - and not BASS.  Tony is the DB Cooper of bass fishing, don't think anyone will know exactly what happened, how it happened, and why it's so secretive...I really want to know though!

My mistake. Thank you for pointing that out. I'd love to know and I don't get why it's still such a tightly held secret unless there's a NDA or something legally binding.

 

16 minutes ago, Logan S said:

I personally now think they need to scrap the info rules and instead completely wipe all gps data the night before official practice begins, maybe again after practice ends too. They can get all the information they want, but when it's go-time they still need go out and find things for themselves.  Guys will still cheat and try to sneak things in or whatever, but at least it will be more black and white. 

I'd be all for this. But what would stop a guy from swapping chips or just manually entering waypoints off a piece of paper after it was wiped? If they could figure out how to do that and enforce it, it would be great. I think MLF had a format for a while where anglers didn't know which lake they were on until the day off? I'd be all for those rules, thought I'm not sure how it would work with Chamber of Commerce sponsorships and whatnot. 

[Logan S]

2 hours ago, JHoss said:

I'd be all for this. But what would stop a guy from swapping chips or just manually entering waypoints off a piece of paper after it was wiped? If they could figure out how to do that and enforce it, it would be great.

The same thing that stops (or doesn't) them from getting info currently, their own actions... However, "Did you add any data to your electronics after the official data reset?" Is essentially yes or no, unlike the current, "Did you obtain or solicit information during the (up to) 6 month period where it was prohibited?"...Where a comment from a dude at a gas station 3 months before the event could theoretically be considered against the rules.  

 

There's significantly less grey area and essentially zero chance of accidentally breaking the rule.

 

(Also please don't pick this apart as if it were a fully fledged idea, it's just a conversational version of the idea)

 

No practice is interesting, but personally I want to see the pros have a chance to practice... You're getting the best level of competition that way IMO.

[Glenn]

6 hours ago, DogBone_384 said:

Is that like a 'big kahuna burger'?

More like a Royal with Cheese

[DogBone_384]

50 minutes ago, Glenn said:

More like a Royal with Cheese

I miss In and Out Burger … we don’t have any in New England

[TnRiver46]

[Pumpkin Lizard]

Someone found Tony C. fishing in an electric only league in Georgia.

[Glenn]

[Texas Flood]

Ok, now I’m in the mood to watch Pulp Fiction. 

[gim]

On 3/12/2025 at 12:57 PM, GReb said:

Kind of like the steroid era in baseball. They’re all doing the same thing, some just get caught 

The steroid era was entertaining even if it was with juice.

 

McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds were the only real reason I truly was excited to watch it in my entire life.

[JHoss]

12 hours ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

Someone found Tony C. fishing in an electric only league in Georgia.

With a gas engine I assume?

 

13 hours ago, Logan S said:

The same thing that stops (or doesn't) them from getting info currently, their own actions... However, "Did you add any data to your electronics after the official data reset?" Is essentially yes or no, unlike the current, "Did you obtain or solicit information during the (up to) 6 month period where it was prohibited?"...Where a comment from a dude at a gas station 3 months before the event could theoretically be considered against the rules.  

 

There's significantly less grey area and essentially zero chance of accidentally breaking the rule.

 

(Also please don't pick this apart as if it were a fully fledged idea, it's just a conversational version of the idea)

 

No practice is interesting, but personally I want to see the pros have a chance to practice... You're getting the best level of competition that way IMO.

Makes sense. Guys shouldn't be able to cheat a poly as easily when its cut and dry like that. I'm not sure why they haven't moved on to a more modern lie detector like a voice stress test. 

 

I'm with you on practice. Feider made a good point in that Mercer podcast - they're supposed to be the best 100 anglers on earth. They should be able to go to a lake and be able to beat the best local guys after a few days of practice. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be on the Elites. 

 

[Pumpkin Lizard]

37 minutes ago, JHoss said:

With a gas engine I assume?

 

Makes sense. Guys shouldn't be able to cheat a poly as easily when its cut and dry like that. I'm not sure why they haven't moved on to a more modern lie detector like a voice stress test. 

 

I'm with you on practice. Feider made a good point in that Mercer podcast - they're supposed to be the best 100 anglers on earth. They should be able to go to a lake and be able to beat the best local guys after a few days of practice. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be on the Elites. 

 

They aren’t even fishing against the best locals. They are supposed to be fishing against the other 99 on the most level playing field possible. 
 

That’s why I think the rule is good. And they can’t be wishy washy about enforcement. Even if it’s an “innocent” infraction there has to be a penalty.

 

I’m still listening to crazy long Mercer podcast. 
 

Palaniuk let out a little frustration about the Scott Martin situation. Some trolls on social media said “If Scott had fished he would have had a 40lb bag”. Palaniuk replied “Well he screwed up and he didn’t get to fish the event”. He’s usually really chill but I thought the comment was terse.

[JHoss]

3 minutes ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

They aren’t even fishing against the best locals. They are supposed to be fishing against the other 99 on the most level playing field possible. 
 

That’s why I think the rule is good. And they can’t be wishy washy about enforcement. Even if it’s an “innocent” infraction there has to be a penalty.

 

I’m still listening to crazy long Mercer podcast. 
 

Palaniuk let out a little frustration about the Scott Martin situation. Some trolls on social media said “If Scott had fished he would have had a 40lb bag”. Palaniuk replied “Well he screwed up and he didn’t get to fish the event”. He’s usually really chill but I thought the comment was terse.

I think his point was that they should be able to find a pattern and the right spots to beat a local hammer without needing to "buy dots" from them. 

 

I haven't listened to the one with BP yet, but sounds like that'll be next after I finish the BTL I'm in the middle of. 

 

It does seem like there's a large portion of Elites who are supportive of the DQ's. Listening to the BTL with Blake Capps right now and he was saying how careful he has to be with friends and family when it comes to talking about his home pond, Tenkiller. He even went so far as to not fish any of the local derbies this winter to avoid any chance of info violation or the optics of a potential violation. So if these DQ's effectively scare guys into following the rules, then maybe BASS did get it right. I'm just not convinced it's gonna stop the cheaters.

[Pumpkin Lizard]

11 minutes ago, JHoss said:

I think his point was that they should be able to find a pattern and the right spots to beat a local hammer without needing to "buy dots" from them. 

 

I haven't listened to the one with BP yet, but sounds like that'll be next after I finish the BTL I'm in the middle of. 

 

It does seem like there's a large portion of Elites who are supportive of the DQ's. Listening to the BTL with Blake Capps right now and he was saying how careful he has to be with friends and family when it comes to talking about his home pond, Tenkiller. He even went so far as to not fish any of the local derbies this winter to avoid any chance of info violation or the optics of a potential violation. So if these DQ's effectively scare guys into following the rules, then maybe BASS did get it right. I'm just not convinced it's gonna stop the cheaters.

Im agreeing with him in a roundabout way.

 

I heard a pod with Jason Christie who also lives on Tenkiller or one of the other lakes and he said he has to start every conversation with local friends with “don’t say anything about Tenkiller”. Seems extreme but I would gladly play that price to compete in fishing at that level.

[JHoss]

54 minutes ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

Im agreeing with him in a roundabout way.

 

I heard a pod with Jason Christie who also lives on Tenkiller or one of the other lakes and he said he has to start every conversation with local friends with “don’t say anything about Tenkiller”. Seems extreme but I would gladly play that price to compete in fishing at that level.

They actually talked about Christie and the Classics on Grand. Those get announced even earlier so he had a couple 380ish day periods where he had to start every conversation like that. BTL summed it up well, it may be awkward for these guys, but no one is making them fish the Elites.