Zillion knob solution

[Bigbox99]

You're going to get spoon fed on this so we have a known solution once and for all for the thin USDM and JDM Daiwa knob complaints.

 

You can see in the pic of aTatula 100 USDM knobs compared to Shimano Curado knobs (on a JDM Zillion) that the Shimano knobs are much larger.  Daiwa and Shimano use the same knob shaft size meaning that knobs are compatible between the two. 

 

Actually the opposite of this swap was popular for years when guys would put the colored or clear cork Daiwa SLP knobs on their Shimano reels.  

 

The new style knobs on all 2020+ Daiwas look very Shimano like in their shape and end caps but are very thin in both the USDM and JDM versions.  The solution is to do the opposite of placing Daiwa knobs on a Shimano and put Shimano knobs on a Daiwa.  For black end caps you want a Curado K knobs and for a metallic finish end caps you want a Bantam or USDM Met B (mets have bantam knobs for US). 

All also add that if you want to be super cheap about it and like the Zillion HD style long EVA knobs then this Aliexpress handle is a good $11 option from Artsea.

 

[FrnkNsteen]

Daiwa knobs on a Shimano or vice/versa??? 😯😯😯

 

Isn't that going to make people lose their minds and faint?!? 

 

Good tip though!! I didn't realize they had the same shaft diameters and lengths?

 

I thought I had seen a video from Tackle Advisors saying there was something different about them that caused issues with aftermarket knobs from places like Gomexis. Maybe that was just on spinning reels though.

[Bigbox99]

26 minutes ago, FrnkNsteen said:

Daiwa knobs on a Shimano or vice/versa??? 😯😯😯

 

Isn't that going to make people lose their minds and faint?!? 

 

Good tip though!! I didn't realize they had the same shaft diameters and lengths?

 

I thought I had seen a video from Tackle Advisors saying there was something different about them that caused issues with aftermarket knobs from places like Gomexis. Maybe that was just on spinning reels though.

Knob shaft diameters are the same between the two but there can be a + or - .5mm difference in length that will have to be shimmed out.  It the shaft is longer than the knob then add shims on top.  If it is shorter than the knob then remove some shims from the bottom of the knob to get it to settle down deeper on the shaft.  It's not a guarantee but most of times you can put Daiwa knobs on a Shimano or vice versa.

[JediAmoeba]

Whats wrong with the small knobs? I freaking hate all the big ass knobs people are throwing on reels like gomexus.

[F14A-B]

Oh WOW! Now we got us a KNOB FIGHT!! 🤣🤣🤣😉

[bulldog1935]

5 hours ago, FrnkNsteen said:

Daiwa knobs on a Shimano or vice/versa??? 😯😯😯

 

Isn't that going to make people lose their minds and faint?!? 

hmmm

IOS makes the part - a little red loctite, and SLP Works handle works on Stradic 

as far as using Shimano A  knob on Daiwa S spindle, it takes adding an extra bearing or a bearing-size bushing.  Shouldn't be news that these knobs interchange - all aftermarket knobs come with the plastic bushing ("collar") for Daiwa - leave it out for Shimano.  .  

   

[newapti5]

4 hours ago, FrnkNsteen said:

Daiwa knobs on a Shimano or vice/versa??? 😯😯😯

 

Isn't that going to make people lose their minds and faint?!? 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Bigbox99 said:

this Aliexpress handle is a good $11 option from Artsea

 

Their $14 1K carbon handle is a better quality and slightly lighter option: 

 

[Eric 26]

4 hours ago, FrnkNsteen said:

Daiwa knobs on a Shimano or vice/versa??? 😯😯😯

 

Isn't that going to make people lose their minds and faint.

[Bigbox99]

15 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Their $14 1K carbon handle is a better quality and slightly lighter option: 

 

That's the handle I'm referencing.  Also, what was required to put those Met B knobs on that Tatula?  What Bulldog said spooked me a bit.  I'm only aware of a small difference in knob shaft length under 1mm that is easy to shim out.  Not a 2mm difference.

[MediumMouthBass]

Shimano makes better knobs than Daiwa, better grip and much more to hold onto. The US Daiwas i own (minus the Fuego) are way too small.... (I have normal sized hands btw). Thank you OP, you may have just saved my Zillion by making this.

4 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

Whats wrong with the small knobs? I freaking hate all the big ass knobs people are throwing on reels like gomexus.

IMO Gomexus knobs are the best way to take a high end, good looking reel, and turn it into something that looks as if it was bought from Temu for $20. No ones throwing 6oz swimbaits on 100 sized reels, what are power sized knobs even for?

[Bigbox99]

4 minutes ago, MediumMouthBass said:

Shimano makes better knobs than Daiwa, better grip and much more to hold onto. The US Daiwas i own (minus the Fuego) are way too small.... (I have normal sized hands btw)

IMO Gomexus knobs are the best way to take a high end, good looking reel, and turn it into something that looks as if it was bought from Temu for $20. No ones throwing 6oz swimbaits on 100 sized reels, what are power sized knobs even for?

At one point in time all the Tatulas had the same knobs as the Fuego CT.  They were referred to as "Tatula knobs" because they were ubiquitous to those reels.  Here is an early Tatula CT from 2016 with those knobs.  In 2020 Daiwa started putting the new style thin knobs on all their new and refreshed reels.  They changed up the paint on the Tatula CT in 2020 and it got the new knobs everyone hates.  The new 25 HD reels also lose the paddle knobs.  If they ever update the Fuego CT it'll lose them too.

[F14A-B]

What’s up with the tool to remove the knob covers off a Zillion HD1000?

 

2 new reels and no tool here.. I don’t want to mar them trying improvised means…🤷

[Bigbox99]

1 minute ago, F14A-B said:

What’s up with the tool to remove the knob covers off a Zillion HD1000?

 

2 new reels and no tool here.. I don’t want to mar them trying improvised means…🤷

Why would you do such a thing?  You can sell the entire handle for $50.  It's in high demand because it's so well liked and the thin Daiwa knobs are widely hated that anytime you post one for sale it gets snatched up.

[bulldog1935]

@F14A-B bearing hook, paper clip, small screwdriver - twist a bit and they pop out.  

If you're talking about round Daiwa knobs, the new knobs come with a small spanner.  

[F14A-B]

8 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

@F14A-B bearing hook, paper clip, small screwdriver - twist a bit and they pop out.  

If you're talking about round Daiwa knobs, the new knobs come with a small spanner.  

10-4 I guess I need the spanner. 

11 minutes ago, Bigbox99 said:

Why would you do such a thing?  You can sell the entire handle for $50.  It's in high demand because it's so well liked and the thin Daiwa knobs are widely hated that anytime you post one for sale it gets snatched up.

I’m not converting the handle just yet, but these knobs are gonna be. Even if I wasn’t contemplating a change I’d want access to the bearings etc, I’ve got one and it feels like it needs a shim per knob. 

[bulldog1935]

@F14A-B the right precision plier tips will work for a spanner, here removing a fly reel spool collar to flip A/R roller bearing.  

The Daiwa anodized knob covers scratch easily even with their spanner.  

a plastic tool, or drill a popsicle stick and glue-in toothpicks would solve that.  

[F14A-B]

5 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

@F14A-B the right precision plier tips will work for a spanner, here removing a fly reel spool collar to flip A/R roller bearing.  

The Daiwa anodized knob covers scratch easily even with their spanner.  

a plastic tool, or drill a popsicle stick and glue-in toothpicks would solve that.  

Ah, great ideal !

[little giant]

1 hour ago, MediumMouthBass said:

what are power sized knobs even for?

I put 120mm carbon fiber handles with power knobs on most of my baitcasters. My "problem" is pulling in big bass through heavy Florida vegetation. I want the extra torque that handle gives me. I certainly don't care how it looks on the reel!!

[bulldog1935]

I've always wondered what dainty-size knobs are for.  

As long as the weight is small - and these are lighter than Daiwa tiny rubber I-knobs - even giant knobs make great finesse handles.  

(same spindle length, but titanium, same bearings, knob tubes are carbon)

When you need power, you crank with your palm.  

[newapti5]

1 hour ago, Bigbox99 said:

That's the handle I'm referencing.  Also, what was required to put those Met B knobs on that Tatula?  What Bulldog said spooked me a bit.  I'm only aware of a small difference in knob shaft length under 1mm that is easy to shim out.  Not a 2mm difference.

 

I think Bulldog pretty much summed it up: to solve that 2.5mm difference, you'd need an extra bearing or a plastic bushing. Either way, the size should be 4x7x2.5mm or 4x7x2mm, and then it's just a matching game with shims of different thickness, until you get no axial movements. I would put so grease in as the last step, but many others like the free spinning feel.

[MediumMouthBass]

3 hours ago, little giant said:

I put 120mm carbon fiber handles with power knobs on most of my baitcasters. My "problem" is pulling in big bass through heavy Florida vegetation. I want the extra torque that handle gives me. I certainly don't care how it looks on the reel!!

When i say power knobs, im talking about power knobs. The ones that are bigger than your reels spool and popular upgrades for guys slinging 6-8oz+ baits or salt water anglers.

 

I could never use them, im big on how my gear looks. Its just as important as performance and comfort to me.

 

But i think my point was taken out of context, i asked what place they have on 100 sized reels for regular bass fishing? Because there is none. If you are flipping in vegetation like you said, or casting swimbaits like i said #1. theres better looking knobs of that size on the market (IMO Gomexus is an atrocity), and #2. Not many guys are using 100 sized reels for either of what we talked about, as most would prefer a 150-200 atleast 8 times out of 10.

 

 

[newapti5]

While we're comparing sizes, might as well talk about the length and smoothness.

IMO 90mm handle length is the minimum length for any reels, BFS reels included, but over 100mm would be a bit too much. I don't need to wind the lures in like crazy fast, and I don't need that much torque for bass fishing either. 

IMO the knobs material and surface smoothness contribute a great deal to the reel smoothness that we actually feel. Wooden knobs, though look classic with a smooth surface, transmit vibrations the best, which could results in a slightly "geary" feel. That's why I only reserve them for the smoothest reels I have. Cork knobs and rubber knobs mask that vibration quite nicely, but their surfaces are not as smooth as wood knobs'.  At last, EVA knobs excel in masking vibrations; this is why I used them for many old reels, even though their surface is just the roughest.   

Shimano knobs strike a perfect balance among those characteristics. They mask vibrations well and have a very smooth feel and ergonomic shape.    

[F14A-B]

38 minutes ago, little giant said:

I put 120mm carbon fiber handles with power knobs on most of my baitcasters. My "problem" is pulling in big bass through heavy Florida vegetation. I want the extra torque that handle gives me. I certainly don't care how it looks on the reel!!

I’m certain that folks that haven’t fished in heavy hydrilla, sticking a 5 or 6 pound LMB and dragging out 12 pounds of fish AND hydrilla can’t relate. But I certainly can.. it’s fun battle for sure. It has an advantage, a whole bunch of people don’t want to fish deep inside a 1/2 mile stretch of heavy hydrilla. Less fishing pressure😉

[bulldog1935]

@newapti5 in LP reels, 6- and even 7-geared, 90-mm is just right for me.  

But when you get to smaller spools and lower gears, you need shorter handles to have control of line pick-up so fish don't out-charge you - you spin a short handle with more wrist, crank a long handle with more forearm.  

 

With the 8-geared Super Duty, everything about jerkbait presentation improved with the Livre SB (55-mm pitch, equiv to 110-mm dia).  Could count the fish-rate improvement.  

[little giant]

That super duty is a beauty!!

I have a SD1SHL, is mine the same as yours?? Mine is left handed....