1984isNOW Posted Thursday at 03:03 AM Posted Thursday at 03:03 AM 9 minutes ago, BassSteve said: necessary Necessary is my point, now you're informed. I've shared my experiences and knowledge and you can make a more informed decision. Of course we take all reviews with a grain of salt, you could have a great experience with any of those companies. But I share why I recommend avoiding them, and then you go with them anyway and have a bad experience, it could've been avoided. Plus being quiet about our experience just empowers the companies to abuse their position over the consumer. I tried writing a review of a product on one of those vendors websites and they kept deleting it, it was an honest review about my experience and they hid it from the public. That is deceptive and dishonorable, and you would never be warned if I kept it to myself. I don't just write companies off because of one minor inconvenience, I don't put companies on blast for no good reason. I often give second chances, and the biggest thing is customer service. After I speak with a company and they double down on their deception or poor customer service, I'm comfortable sharing that with the public. My point is that the community needs to be able to have open and honesty discussions about their experiences with products or companies, because that's how we learn and grow and make better choices. And sometimes companies start to feel the backlash and they make changes to improve. I'm not just out here talkin trash, I'm trying to inform people and maybe make a company take a closer look at themselves Quote
BassSteve Posted Thursday at 03:16 AM Author Posted Thursday at 03:16 AM 5 minutes ago, 1984isNOW said: Necessary is my point, now you're informed. I've shared my experiences and knowledge and you can make a more informed decision. Of course we take all reviews with a grain of salt, you could have a great experience with any of those companies. But I share why I recommend avoiding them, and then you go with them anyway and have a bad experience, it could've been avoided. Plus being quiet about our experience just empowers the companies to abuse their position over the consumer. I tried writing a review of a product on one of those vendors websites and they kept deleting it, it was an honest review about my experience and they hid it from the public. That is deceptive and dishonorable, and you would never be warned if I kept it to myself. I don't just write companies off because of one minor inconvenience, I don't put companies on blast for no good reason. I often give second chances, and the biggest thing is customer service. After I speak with a company and they double down on their deception or poor customer service, I'm comfortable sharing that with the public. My point is that the community needs to be able to have open and honesty discussions about their experiences with products or companies, because that's how we learn and grow and make better choices. And sometimes companies start to feel the backlash and they make changes to improve. I'm not just out here talkin trash, I'm trying to inform people and maybe make a company take a closer look at themselves yeah I get all that just saying my point is the guy already said he won't reveal the name of the company, for reasons of his own I'm sure, so trying to get him to reveal it isn't going to work just to leave it at that. I have learned on here since joining the forum when someone says they won't mention a brand name or company name, they usually mean it, they just move on with the conversation or different topic etc. that's my point basically Quote
1984isNOW Posted Thursday at 03:29 AM Posted Thursday at 03:29 AM 12 minutes ago, BassSteve said: ' I hear you Quote
rangerjockey Posted Thursday at 01:28 PM Posted Thursday at 01:28 PM 11 hours ago, 1984isNOW said: Necessary is my point, now you're informed. I've shared my experiences and knowledge and you can make a more informed decision. Of course we take all reviews with a grain of salt, you could have a great experience with any of those companies. But I share why I recommend avoiding them, and then you go with them anyway and have a bad experience, it could've been avoided. Plus being quiet about our experience just empowers the companies to abuse their position over the consumer. I tried writing a review of a product on one of those vendors websites and they kept deleting it, it was an honest review about my experience and they hid it from the public. That is deceptive and dishonorable, and you would never be warned if I kept it to myself. I don't just write companies off because of one minor inconvenience, I don't put companies on blast for no good reason. I often give second chances, and the biggest thing is customer service. After I speak with a company and they double down on their deception or poor customer service, I'm comfortable sharing that with the public. My point is that the community needs to be able to have open and honesty discussions about their experiences with products or companies, because that's how we learn and grow and make better choices. And sometimes companies start to feel the backlash and they make changes to improve. I'm not just out here talkin trash, I'm trying to inform people and maybe make a company take a closer look at themselves I personally don't take it all that seriously ,but to each his own. Quote
Super User MickD Posted Thursday at 02:57 PM Super User Posted Thursday at 02:57 PM 12 hours ago, BassSteve said: Please help us new builders, share your experience. Who should we avoid? I was not referring to Sea Guide, nor to Alps, Fuji, REC, CRB. I have no experience with CRB. All my builds use Fuji or Alps, did one Sea Guide. Had one ring come out of an Alps guide many years ago. Put it back in and it's still in service with a friend. Yes, I know that doesn't always work, but it did this time. Probably because it was a 25 mm with lots of area for the glue. I grooved cheap tiptops on my old factory rods before I started building again after many years "off." Never have grooved a SIC tiptop. Most titanium frames can be bent a few times before failure, and they are very hard to bend. The questionable ones bend easily and can only be bent a couple times and they break. You can probably tell the integrity of titanium frames this way: If they are very difficult to bend, they are probably not the ones I referred to. 1 Quote
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