Seaguar Flurocarbon Broke??

[dk2429]

I don’t know what it is, seems like any time I try to spool up with some nice higher end line, that junk breaks and causes problems. I spool this rig up with Seaguar Invizix for the first time because I hear the rant and rave about it for bottom contact stuff. Threw a 3/8oz jig on it today. Sure enough, that chit broke off mid air and absolutely blew up my reel. No it didn’t come untied, I trolled up to the bank and retrieved my jig. Line was still tied on it. 
 

Did I get a bad spool or what? Any time I’ve tried fluorocarbon, that stuff always fails me. 
 

 

[PBBrandon]

Where did you get it? Was it exposed to sunlight for a long time?

 

Could be a bad spool or have sun damage. I mainly use Invizx and it hasn’t failed me yet

[MN Fisher]

If you get kinks in the line you've weakened it. If it's spooled too tightly, you can compress part of it - weakening it. If it's nicked (check your guides) it's weakened. If it's left in the sun or in a hot compartment too long, it's weakened.

 

I've used InvizX without an issue, it's one of my favorite lines - but it's a bit finicky to environmental stress, far more than mono.

[dk2429]

16 minutes ago, PBBrandon said:

Where did you get it? Was it exposed to sunlight for a long time?

 

Could be a bad spool or have sun damage. I mainly use Invizx and it hasn’t failed me yet

Came from tackle warehouse. I kept inside in a closet until I got ready to spool it up on a reel. 

[Jig Man]

3 questions:  #1 how long have you had it, #2 what pound test is it and #3 how many cast did you make before the incident?  

[TnRiver46]

I’ve dragged my boat upstream trying to break 15 invisix. Also sliced my hand with it, something seems odd. I definitely had a learning curve when I first started using it, casts a lot differently than mono 

[Fishlegs]

My guess is that it was a bad spool. Unfortunately, it happens. I have used Invisx, and had mostly good results. I did have a spool one time that broke off every time I hooked a fish. That’s the only bad experience I’ve had with Invisx.

[dk2429]

5 hours ago, Jig Man said:

3 questions:  #1 how long have you had it, #2 what pound test is it and #3 how many cast did you make before the incident?  

1- Ordered from TW around mid-January; spooled up reel with it earlier this week.

 

2- 15lb test

 

3- Quite a few. Spent the better part of the day pitching/flipping boat docks 

[MN Fisher]

43 minutes ago, dk2429 said:

3- Quite a few. Spent the better part of the day pitching/flipping boat docks 

My guess is this is the problem.

 

How often did the line run across the posts/pilings/floats the docks were supported on?

 - those things can collect zebra mussels, rust spots, splinters and a host of other line-damaging things.

When I'm pitching docks I inspect my leader often and replace it frequently.

[papajoe222]

When I first started using fluorocarbon lines, I had this exact same problem.  The line would break on the cast. I'd loose the lure and sometimes 15yrds of line. I figured out that it was my fault as I often times would kink the line when adding slack, only to reel over that kink. That is what may be happening with you.

Once I figured this out, I only had to deal with knots breaking and I eliminated that problem by never using fluoro as a main line for single hook presentations (jigs, T-rigs spinnerbaits).

[newapti5]

If this happened every time you tried some fluoro, then it's not the line; it's very likely the line was kinked somehow, maybe by a chipped line guide.

Fluoro line is notorious for that, because as others mentioned, any kink or sharp bend in the line will weaken it.  And this is why normal knots that suit mono or braids won't work well with fluoro. I highly recommend the double improved clinch knot. I regained confidence in fluoro lines because of it, and it's the knot Seaguar recommends: 

 

 

[dk2429]

1 hour ago, newapti5 said:

If this happened every time you tried some fluoro, then it's not the line; it's very likely the line was kinked somehow, maybe by a chipped line guide.

Fluoro line is notorious for that, because as others mentioned, any kink or sharp bend in the line will weaken it.  And this is why normal knots that suit mono or braids won't work well with fluoro. I highly recommend the double improved clinch knot. I regained confidence in fluoro lines because of it, and it's the knot Seaguar recommends: 

 

 

I’ll give this a go. I tie an improved cinch knot for just about everything 

 

Might give Sunline Sniper a try too. I put Seaguar Red Label on my 5XD/6XD cranking setup and that stuff got all frayed up down by the bait in no time. I’m done with Seaguar for now. I thought this stuff was supposed to be the most abrasion resistant. I’ve got to admit that am I not seeing any advantages to a $22 spool of 150yd fluro vs a $10 spool of 1000yd mono. It seems like it’s more of a hassle than anything 

[Choporoz]

Have you recently checked all your guides with a Q-tip?

 

If you spent better part of a day using it without a problem, then the new line is fine, but a problem was introduced during the day.  I can go days without re-tying....or I may need to re-tie a jig several times during a day.  15# INVISX is outstanding line, in my opinion.   

[GreenPig]

And that's why I stick to Red Label(12lb worked on a 13.44). 😁 Seriously, could've rubbed on something or kinked due slack or backlash. Stiffer lines don't like being bent.

[Texas Flood]

6 hours ago, dk2429 said:

I’ll give this a go. I tie an improved cinch knot for just about everything 

 

Might give Sunline Sniper a try too. I put Seaguar Red Label on my 5XD/6XD cranking setup and that stuff got all frayed up down by the bait in no time. I’m done with Seaguar for now. I thought this stuff was supposed to be the most abrasion resistant. I’ve got to admit that am I not seeing any advantages to a $22 spool of 150yd fluro vs a $10 spool of 1000yd mono. It seems like it’s more of a hassle than anything 

If you’re gonna use FC Sniper for flippin at or around rocks or nasty stuff, I would highly recommend keeping an eye on your line for signs of fray. 
 

 

I noticed it when prefishing a tournament. Made the switch to Tatsu
 

 

 

[MickD]

4 hours ago, Choporoz said:

Have you recently checked all your guides with a Q-tip?

Great advice!  I have NEVER had a "bad spool" of any line, any type, any material.  Exc early Vanish, but all of that stuff was bad, not just a "bad spool." 

[dk2429]

5 hours ago, Choporoz said:

Have you recently checked all your guides with a Q-tip?

 

If you spent better part of a day using it without a problem, then the new line is fine, but a problem was introduced during the day.  I can go days without re-tying....or I may need to re-tie a jig several times during a day.  15# INVISX is outstanding line, in my opinion.   

I’ll check the rod. If it is the rod it’s going back to Falcon because it’s brand new as well 

[Texas Flood]

I used to like InVizX until I started using #15 and heavier. The line was just too stiff, which is crazy because I have #20 Tatsu on and the suppleness is so nice

[Bigbox99]

Habitually cut, strip off some line and re-tie with fluorocarbon line.

[MickD]

1 hour ago, dk2429 said:

I’ll check the rod. If it is the rod it’s going back to Falcon because it’s brand new as well 

Easy to check, and gets rid of a possibility, even though rare.  If it's a guide, it's most likely the tiptop that is cracked.  

 

But keep in mind that FC line is very finicky, and when it gets backlashed, it's likely, very likely, that it will be damaged in getting the backlash cleared.  It won't take kindly to the plucking and pulling on loops that it often takes to clear a backlash.  AND, it backlashes very easily, IMO. 

[FishTank]

I have been using Invizx (6lb to 20lb) off and on for years and I have never had line snap mid cast and break. Now I have had a loop dig in, then I try to cast with the loop dug in the spool and have it snap back at me, which is my fault, but never on a cast alone. 

 

I have lost more lures on braid and mono than any other lines which is one of the reasons I stick with fluorocarbon. 

[Jar11591]

If you were using RedLabel and this was your experience, I wouldn’t be surprised. But if you’re having this issue with InvisX something is askew. Like others have mentioned, check your guides with a cue tip. 

[MN Fisher]

14 hours ago, newapti5 said:

I highly recommend the double improved clinch knot.

Whether it's mono, braid or FC, the MK knot has yet to let me down.

[Pumpkin Lizard]

23 hours ago, dk2429 said:

I don’t know what it is, seems like any time I try to spool up with some nice higher end line, that junk breaks and causes problems. I spool this rig up with Seaguar Invizix for the first time because I hear the rant and rave about it for bottom contact stuff. Threw a 3/8oz jig on it today. Sure enough, that chit broke off mid air and absolutely blew up my reel. No it didn’t come untied, I trolled up to the bank and retrieved my jig. Line was still tied on it. 
 

Did I get a bad spool or what? Any time I’ve tried fluorocarbon, that stuff always fails me. 
 

 

I doubt it's bad spool. That's just so unlikely. These companies, particularly the Japanese ones have great Quality Control.

 

I won't hazard a guess of what happened to you. But what it looks like happened to you happened twice to me last season with Seaguar Basix and it was my fault not the line's fault. I have been using mono my life when not fly fishing and I didn't take into account that fluoro has to be taken care of better.

 

I was making long casts and every now and then I'd get a very mild backlash without a tangle. So instead of picking it out I let it ride thinking I could get it out on its own on the next cast. In my opinion I just set myself up for failure because sooner or later that brittle fluouro carbon will get knicked.

 

So I'd make a booming long cast and then suddenly half my line was gone because that knick became a complete fracture. Lost a nice Megabass Spinner Bait and a Swimbait doing this; breaking off in mid flight.

 

Now I take real good care of backlashes, and I use backing on the spool so that I only have 60-70 yards of fluoro spooled up and I am wasting less lane. That way I can spool three times with a 200 yard spool. Once you get that knick in your line, it's a matter of when not if.

53 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Whether it's mono, braid or FC, the MK knot has yet to let me down.

 

What do you think of the uni knot?

[dk2429]

3 hours ago, MickD said:

Easy to check, and gets rid of a possibility, even though rare.  If it's a guide, it's most likely the tiptop that is cracked.  

 

But keep in mind that FC line is very finicky, and when it gets backlashed, it's likely, very likely, that it will be damaged in getting the backlash cleared.  It won't take kindly to the plucking and pulling on loops that it often takes to clear a backlash.  AND, it backlashes very easily, IMO. 

I checked the rod with a q-top and it’s fine. 
 

This is likely what happened though. I did backlash it a few times throughout the day trying to get that reel dialed in. Nothing terrible but I did have a few where I had to pick through some loops and what not.