Will using 1-2 oz lures damage a 100 size bait-caster?

[Julius L]

Hey all, I recently purchased an Abu Garcia Vendetta Heavy Fast action casting rod (on clearance at Walmart for 30 bucks!) and want to start throwing bigger moving baits (glide baits and swim baits) in the 1-2oz range. 

 

I currently own a few 100 size bait-casters (Daiwa Tatula ct 100, Daiwa Tatula sv tw 103, and an Abu Garcia BlackMax) and after doing research people believe that using a lure in the 1-2 oz range will damage the gears in a 100 size bait-caster is this true?

 

I don’t plan on using the Daiwa SVTW 103 on the Vendetta rod, and in the past I have thrown 1oz baits on the Daiwa CT with no problem but I don’t want to end up destroying the Daiwa CT if I consistently use 1-2oz baits on it. 
 

Please let me know your thoughts!

 

 

[Bluebasser86]

1oz will be fine but you’re overdoing it with anything much over that.

[Julius L]

16 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

1oz will be fine but you’re overdoing it with anything much over that.

What are your thoughts on using a 1.5 oz lure? I have a glide bait that is around this weight and I've been itching to use it. 

[MediumMouthBass]

It can be done on some 100's, my BB1 Pro is the size of Daiwas 100 or Shimanos 150. However the spool is deeper and its built for deep cranking. You may or may not know that deep cranking puts a beating on a reel, as these deep divers create alot of drag.

 

However the average all around 100 sized Daiwa/lews (or Shimanos 150) may handle 1oz just being casted and retrieved given the bait doesnt have alot of drag. But 1.5-2oz would probably cause nothing good long term.

4 hours ago, Julius L said:

(Daiwa Tatula ct 100, Daiwa Tatula sv tw 103, and an Abu Garcia BlackMax)

I have all 3 of these reels, i wouldnt want to throw anything 1-2oz on them. A reel like a Daiwa Tatula 150-200 goes on sale frequently around $120-150 and would be your best bet. If you really have to use what you have, throw them on the Black Max.

More than likely it can and will ruin it, but these things are somehow super durable and cost $30 to replace.....

 

The nice thing about specific, or purpose built reels for these bigger baits is that they have a deep spool.

Using 1-2oz lures majority of guys will use 20-30lb line, a average sized spool wont hold much of this.

[webertime]

No it won't.

Tie on 2 ounces.  

     2oz hanging off the end of your rod with clutch engaged...  not going to hurt it.

     Put thumb on spool, disengage thumb bar.  Now your thumb is holding the "strain".

     Cast.  Spool spins on bearings.  No strain.

     Bait lands, you thumb spool.   No Strain

     Retrieve (swimbait resistance), no more stress than a big spinnerbait or crankbait.

 

You watch guys boat flip 7lbers hanging off the end of a rod, that's more stress on a reel than a 2oz bait being cast.

 

To make a larger point, tie on a 1oz tungsten weight, hook and creature (approximately 1.5 oz total).  Flip it out and drag through a ton of weeds OR set the hook on a stump.  More strain there but thousands upon thousands of guys doing that with 100s with no real problems (REEL problems, Fozzy Bear Face).  Or drag a 1oz carolina rig (again about 1.5oz total) through boulders and set the hook on a big ol rock, more stress there...

 

So long as you're not trying to bomb a 1-2oz bait with 50ft of line on the spool and it jerks to a stop or you accidentally re-engage the reel mid cast (we've all accidentally done that) you aren't going to hurt it anymore than any other bait.  But those senerios could very well hurt any freshwater reel.

 

Am I advocating a Black Max as a dedicated swimbait reel?  Lol noooooo.  But to get you by until you decide if big baits are for you, then a "regular" reel is fine.

 

When you get above an ounce the "sketchy" feel of the bait in the casting process has way more to do with the rod.

 

 

 

[Julius L]

1 hour ago, MediumMouthBass said:

I have all 3 of these reels, i wouldnt want to throw anything 1-2oz on them. A reel like a Daiwa Tatula 150-200 goes on sale frequently around $120-150 and would be your best bet. If you really have to use what you have, throw them on the Black Max.

More than likely it can and will ruin it, but these things are somehow super durable and cost $30 to replace.....

 

The nice thing about specific, or purpose built reels for these bigger baits is that they have a deep spool.

Using 1-2oz lures majority of guys will use 20-30lb line, a average sized spool wont hold much of this.

Thanks for the feedback. I am going to use the BlackMax for the time being. I do have an old Abu Garcia ambassador reel would that fair any better? 

[webertime]

Like round Ambassador?  C3. C4 5500 type?  Then yeah that's world's better than a Black Max

[Julius L]

4 minutes ago, webertime said:

Like round Ambassador?  C3. C4 5500 type?  Then yeah that's world's better than a Black Max

Yes, it is the C3 5500. All she needs is a little cleaning and greasing. 

[Bluebasser86]

Lots of guys use the mid sized round Abus for a starter swimbait reel, they do a very reasonable job of it. 

[bulldog1935]

What's doing the work are your spool bearings.  

With a larger spool, 36 mm dia., your bearings are doing less work than with a smaller, 32-mm spool, simply because they don't have to spin quite as fast to peel the same amount of line - that's why larger spool diameter is smarter for big 2-3-oz swimbaits.  

Looking at the chart above, from hybric-ceramic micro-bearings to full steel shielded, 30 g is 1 ounce.  Only the two lightest bearing styles are not capable of throwing 1 to 2 oz.  

But tournament distance casters are throwing 15 ounces to 1000' using unshielded hybrid ceramic bearings, comparable to the ZR bearings on this chart.  

[MediumMouthBass]

7 hours ago, Julius L said:

Yes, it is the C3 5500. All she needs is a little cleaning and greasing. 

Use this.

I use my C3 for swimbaits 1-8oz.

[DaubsNU1]

Was throwing 2+ ounce pike lures on my 30+ year old Shimano Curado last summer. 

 

No issues. 

 

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