Phatbass54 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Does anyone really feel the difference? Iam looking at buying a hypermag gen 1 that doesn’t have this feature, but I like the frame better than the new model. Quote
newapti5 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 From my experience, the dual-supported pinion gear is not a feature that triumphs in all reels of all brands, but in Lew's reels, I did feel the difference in smoothness and durability. So if I were picking up a Lew's reel, I'd definitely go with P2 features. Not all P2 features are the same though. Some models use a bearing and a bushing, the higher end ones use two bearings. You could always upgrade the bushing to a bearing, which I recall is the standard 8x12x3.5mm size. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Dual supported pinions are a nice feature, however I don’t think they by themselves create a smoother feel or ensure longer life. Overall quality and tolerances have as much or more affect. Shimano Core is a good example. 2 Quote
ABU is overpriced Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Not having a double bearing supported pinion in 2025 is almost insulting in my opinion. I don't want to mention Abu, but i must mention Abu. Have zero experience with anything Lews, but two bearings supporting the pinion gear can only be a positive. Quote
Phatbass54 Posted February 1 Author Posted February 1 With lews the pinion is only supported on 1 side with a ball bearing the other side that goes into the spool is a metal bushing. 1 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted February 1 Super User Posted February 1 The biggest difference on Lew's is that P2 lets you turn the drive without a spool in place. In place, the spool spindle provides the same level of support as the P2. Quote
Bigbox99 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 21 hours ago, Phatbass54 said: Does anyone really feel the difference? Iam looking at buying a hypermag gen 1 that doesn’t have this feature, but I like the frame better than the new model. It's bogus. It does not support the pinion at all when the spool is in place and it only there to keep the pinion from flopping around when the spool is removed. It does absolutely nothing when the spool is in the reel. Its not detrimental to the reel to have it in there and it does keep the pinion in place when the spool is removed so that's nice. I guess. Quote
newapti5 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Bigbox99 said: It's bogus. It does not support the pinion at all when the spool is in place and it only there to keep the pinion from flopping around when the spool is removed. It does absolutely nothing when the spool is in the reel. Its not detrimental to the reel to have it in there and it does keep the pinion in place when the spool is removed so that's nice. I guess. That's actually quite true with its original bushing, as the bushing inner diameter is larger than 8mm. After I changed it to a 8x12x3.5 bearing on my Tournament Pro, the tolerance is much better, and I did notice an improvement on durability. Quote
Phatbass54 Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 7 hours ago, newapti5 said: That's actually quite true with its original bushing, as the bushing inner diameter is larger than 8mm. After I changed it to a 8x12x3.5 bearing on my Tournament Pro, the tolerance is much better, and I did notice an improvement on durability. And this was on a lews without the p2 pinion ? Or with? Quote
newapti5 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Phatbass54 said: And this was on a lews without the p2 pinion ? Or with? With. That Tournament Pro has the P2 feature, which consists of one bearing and one bushing. Like other suggested, the bushing serves no major purpose. Only after upgrading that bushing to a bearing, that reel really has a dual supported pinion gear. Quote
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