Eric 26 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 So Suffix is releasing a new finesse braid and I’m personally excited to try it out on both a bfs spool and a shallow spool Shimano Miravel. Anybody else interested? 3 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted January 25 Super User Posted January 25 look in the upper left corner - they've switched from Gore to Japan X-braid. 1 Quote
primetime Posted January 25 Posted January 25 I am sure it will be really nice braid since Suffix makes quality line, 832 being one of them. Personally, I try to avoid the really thin finesse braids as I have a hard time tying knots and it drives me nuts in the wind, especially if the coating is slick. I would give it a shot as I am sure it will last forever. I can't imagine throwing line that thin on a baitcasting reel, have not gotten into the BFS casting system yet. I love ultralight fishing but stick with spinning gear and straight 4-6lb mono. May have to try a BFS casting reel this year and see if I prefer it over spinning gear. 1 Quote
Eric 26 Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 2 hours ago, bulldog1935 said: look in the upper left corner - they've switched from Gore to Japan X-braid. I knew you would catch that 😉 1 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted January 25 Super User Posted January 25 @primetime throwing 2 g past 130' on a baitcaster is a rush. It's like a mini surf/tournament cast. 4 Quote
primetime Posted January 25 Posted January 25 7 hours ago, bulldog1935 said: @primetime throwing 2 g past 130' on a baitcaster is a rush. It's like a mini surf/tournament cast. what rod do you have the Daiwa paired with? I have looked into BFS since I throw alot more finesse baits and lures these days & with the cold I prefer fishing panfish sized baits & light slider worms etc.... You can legit throw a 1/16oz bait or lure over 100 yards on the lighter spooled casting reels? Thats crazy distance, I cant get near that on any of my ultralight spinning set ups. Never even contemplated putting braid on my casting reels under 30lb test or 10lb Mono/Fluoro. I was going to buy one of the Ark baitcasting bfs reels when Tackle Warehouse had their X-mas sale, but reviews were not that great. I have a few BPS/Cabelas gift cards to use, so maybe will grab a good combo and I think Abu Garcia has a new REVO BFS which I would think is good? Daiwa Tatula BFS likely in same price range, imagine Daiwa likely casts further with T-Wing System. Any suggestions from first hand experience appreciated. I wouldn't mind a 2 piece rod or one piece and mainly be looking to throw 1g-4g. I had someone tell me Kastking has a quality BFS reel, but not sure if it's one of their high end or entry level. I know Kast King now makes reels in price ranges to compete with other companies. 3 Quote
Super User MickD Posted January 25 Super User Posted January 25 While I always like Suffix products, I'm not sure why it's called ultra thin since its diamter isn't as small as Hitena Pureline which has been available for years. I have used 21 pound test at .006 diameter for bones to get both reasonably high strength and high line capacity on the reel. Hitena has not been available lately, but there are other braids with 8 or more strands with similar thicknesses. The Suffix price for a premium braid is very attractive. I'm sure I will give it a try next purchase. 1 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted January 25 Super User Posted January 25 4 hours ago, primetime said: what rod do you have the Daiwa paired with? I have looked into BFS since I throw alot more finesse baits and lures these days & with the cold I prefer fishing panfish sized baits & light slider worms etc.... You can legit throw a 1/16oz bait or lure over 100 yards on the lighter spooled casting reels? Thats crazy distance, I cant get near that on any of my ultralight spinning set ups. Never even contemplated putting braid on my casting reels under 30lb test or 10lb Mono/Fluoro. Well no, 130 feet. (40 yds and change). My back-acre casting range is metered for setting up reels and comparing results. I mostly fish inshore, and use BFS for tide passes and dock nite-lites that concentrate tiny winter bait. Rods are 8' (Yamaga Blanks BCIII 82/B, Abu Prototype 8'3" Baitfinesse ML). BFS for bass, I have 6'7" Valeyhill Raison Odessa River kayak, I fish raced BFS Ambassadeur on 6' and shorter Japanese glass. Inshore kayak, 7' rods, and this Abu Prototype Kurodai (black sea bream) Baitfinesse is astounding. I also have surf rigs that will do the 100-yd thing 2-hand with 1/2 oz. @MickD it's because of USM and Pound-Test. JDM sells line by diameter and reports max breaking strength, along with the rest of the world. USM is hung up on minimum test, which is never a known value, and nearly doubles the actual breaking strength. Pound-test is like a bad chef - if a little bit is good, more is better. The concept allows poor quality control on line diameter and consistency. If you try filling a spool with 832 by reported diameter, you'll discover it's always thicker than reported. The Japanese have a specification committee, and JDM line always matches reported diameter - especially Izanas, which is the benchmark. Here's the marketing blurb on the original Japan X-braid, introduced in 2018 When introduced, this braid cost $1/yd - we're happy the price has come down. 5 Quote
ABU is overpriced Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Sounds like nothing else but marketing. There's a ton of low diameter lines already. Quote
Eric 26 Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 34 minutes ago, ABU is overpriced said: Sounds like nothing else but marketing. There's a ton of low diameter lines already. Not necessarily true as far as I know. This braid as @bulldog1935 pointed out is made from Japanese materials (Izanas) which if you may have noticed a lot of guys on here especially the bfs crowd are using braids imported from Japan for a reason. 3 Quote
redmeansdistortion Posted January 25 Posted January 25 23 minutes ago, Eric 26 said: Not necessarily true as far as I know. This braid as @bulldog1935 pointed out is made from Japanese materials (Izanas) which if you may have noticed a lot of guys on here especially the bfs crowd are using braids imported from Japan for a reason. Yep, many of us here run YGK X-Braid. I just spooled my '17 Conquest BFS with #1.2 (25lb) that I will use for migratory trout on a Palms Rera Kamuy 6'9" ML. I run #0.8 (16lb) on my bushwhacking reels. Lines developed for the US market have arbitrary measurements which makes the listed strength meaningless. Additionally, many of those lines have false diameter measurements, often listing the diameter thinner than what it truly is. Sufix is a big offender of this on both fronts, but this new line they have may make me consider them again in the future since it's made from Izanas. 4 1 Quote
Super User MickD Posted January 25 Super User Posted January 25 Just measured a 10 pound test Suffix braid, not this one, published diameter was .008. Measured slightly over .010. Feels thicker than the 21 pound Pure Line which I'll measure tonight. 2 Quote
Eric 26 Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 22 minutes ago, MickD said: Just measured a 10 pound test Suffix braid, not this one, published diameter was .008. Measured slightly over .010. Feels thicker than the 21 pound Pure Line which I'll measure tonight. This right here along with the knowledge I’ve gained on this subject from everyone on here using “imported” braids about the listed diameters and breaking strengths is why I’m excited to try this line as it’s supposedly switched to a true “Japanese” braid that has much stricter standards as has been pointed out. Also although I can purchase Japanese braids from Tackle Warehouse or even ask my local tackle shop if they can get it the Suffix will be readily available and at least around here I can’t find braid lower than 8lb. Also I’m interested in spooling my shallow spooled Miravel with 4lb braid as it’s paired with an ultralight rod. 1 Quote
woolleyfooley Posted January 26 Posted January 26 21 hours ago, bulldog1935 said: @primetime throwing 2 g past 130' on a baitcaster is a rush. It's like a mini surf/tournament cast. What reel/spool is that? I like it! Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted January 26 Super User Posted January 26 @woolleyfooley That's '16 Steez SVTW 1016H wearing Roro X29 - will also fit all Zillion and every 34-mm-floating-spool Daiwa before '24 Steez. Roro X29 is discontinued with a final cache closing out at Japan Tackle. Also recommend you replace palm-cap bearing with Roro 1030 This reel and spool is the reason I bought my first Daiwa in 35 years. I don't know why Jun changed his reported low-end on this spool to 3 g. He first listed it as 2-g capable, and I can vouch for the smaller number (to extreme distance). I even tried Roro X29 on my CV-Z to check the match and magnet effectiveness for a friend on Tackle Tour forum, who wanted a 2-g spool for his TD-Z. Magnets did the job, and it was a pocket rocket on this reel. ________________________________ Izanas used to have a blurb about their manufacturing and polymer chain alignment in their Ultra-high N/dex fiber used as center-strand in their fishing braid. The result increases both strength and toughness. This is right up my professional bailiwick and even polymer processing class project using camera X-ray crystallography to demonstrate polymer chain alignment v. drawing conditions. For those willing to get out of themselves and learn, Gore and Izanas are in all the same markets. Neither sell fibers for another to make braid, but they sell the bulk-spooled finished product from continuous fabrication, exactly as described in the YGK blurb in my previous post. Rapala and Varivas, YGK, Duel, etc. spec their product from Izanas quality and pricing menu (fiber grades, weave, dyes, FEP coating formulation). They buy the line in bulk spools, and they final package pegboard spools. I've fished 832, YGK, Duel, Varivas, Seaguar, Yamatoyo coated braids, various grades and coatings, picked my preferences - and watched my friends wind-knot uncoated Power Pro, which kept me away from braid until the technology caught up with my expectation. The all braid is the same mantra couldn't be further from the facts. 5 Quote
woolleyfooley Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Cool! I like it. BFS has piqued my curiosity, and I’m a big Daiwa fan. 1 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted January 26 Super User Posted January 26 @woolleyfooley Here's your hint. begin casting some cheap, disposable UL mono. I keep a charge of 5-lb ultragreen and re-spool it on a storage spool. Set mag brake casting the lightest thing you're going to throw - find incipient mid-cast backlash and add a notch or two (mag scalar setting is 4 to 6 on SV magnets). You're covered for everything heavier. When you're confident you're backlash-proof, switch to X-braid. Facing the wind, add 2 mag notches. Also cast without wrist jerk - fixed inductor spools are the lightest made, but they also turn MagForce into linear mag, which should be everything you need. 1 1 Quote
Super User MickD Posted February 2 Super User Posted February 2 I just measured the diameter of Suffix Revolve 10 pound test-advertised diameter = .006 in. Measured = .006 in. Would be interested in knowing the actual pound test if anyone has it. 2 Quote
redmeansdistortion Posted February 2 Posted February 2 3 hours ago, MickD said: I just measured the diameter of Suffix Revolve 10 pound test-advertised diameter = .006 in. Measured = .006 in. Would be interested in knowing the actual pound test if anyone has it. That converts to 0.152mm, slightly larger than X-Braid #0.8, which is 0.148mm. Not too bad of a discrepancy, I'd try it out myself. 2 Quote
Super User MickD Posted February 2 Super User Posted February 2 Hitena's 21 pound test PureLine (Hitena says their pound test ratings are honest), a 14 carrier braid if I remember correctly, is also (stated to be) about .006., I will be glad when Hitena gets back on the market-best braid I've ever used. Quote
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