Super User Darth-Baiter Posted January 8 Super User Posted January 8 I am still wading through my Metanium choices. Met 20 or Met 100 <----all a bit confusing, especially on a Japan website. I have a Zillion SWTW, that I adore. the Zillion is on my light bottom contact setup. the new Reel will send out and bring back moving baits. it will ride on my new experiment, the MegaBass Oricchi X10 Bandersnatch.. I can see myself looking for longer distance casts to target super clear water spooky fish. I wouldn't mind your thoughts on this. thanks. tried and true Zillion? or go Shimano? I dont want to drop the money on a Metanium DC. not even Japan money. I casted my friend's DC and that thing can cast FAR!! but he has a wife that poops money. 3 Quote
Bigbox99 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 I would go Shimano with braid to leader for long casting. Daiwa if spooling straight fluoro. Both set with no spool tension and just use the brakes and thumb. Also I would probably substitute the mat for a Bantam for moving baits. 3 Quote
Fishingmickey Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Hard to go wrong either way. The frame on either the Bantam or the Met is rock solid and they both cast really well IMHO. The Zillion I think is a little less fussy then the Shimano's regarding brake and cast control settings. What moving baits are you thinking of using? FM 1 Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted January 8 Author Super User Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Fishingmickey said: Hard to go wrong either way. The frame on either the Bantam or the Met is rock solid and they both cast really well IMHO. The Zillion I think is a little less fussy then the Shimano's regarding brake and cast control settings. What moving baits are you thinking of using? FM chatter baits, shallow cranks. etc. I know I am mixing apples and oranges, but I tend to not break up baits I have a tight line running to. just me. I have a Bantam. I havent warmed to it fully. it does cast beautifully,. it feels dense, if that makes any sense. I have it on a heavier rod (mass) and it feels at home there. on a lighter rod, not sure. Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted January 8 Super User Posted January 8 I would get a '21 Zillion or '22 HD while you still can - prices are low with new Zillion introduction. https://www.amazon.com/Daiwa-Gillion-1000H-Right-Handle/dp/B08NP3F5MV/ref=sr_1_3 note, SLPW-Z based on HD comes without spool and handle https://www.amazon.com/Daiwa-Slp-Works-ZILLION-1000H/dp/B0BZC11WKH/ref=sr_1_1_pp https://www.amazon.com/Daiwa-Baitcasting-Reel-Gillion-1000XHL/dp/B09LQYDJW7/ref=sr_1_4 4 Quote
Fishingmickey Posted January 8 Posted January 8 The Zillion TW HD with the longer handle might be the ticket. I have use mine for 1/2 & 3/4 oz chatterbait fishing with 18# Samurai Fluoro, 7'3" Curado MH+ glass rod. Bulldog and I are thinking alike at the same time... 5 Quote
softwateronly Posted January 8 Posted January 8 For what you said, I'm in the braid to leader Met 20 camp. When dialed in, that reel sends like few others. I am also a fan of both current Zillions and the bantam, so you can't go wrong. scott 2 Quote
Super User FishTank Posted January 8 Super User Posted January 8 I have each rendition of the new Zillion and really like them but for what you described, I like the Metanium 100. I have the 20 Metanium as well. There is just something different about the 100. It will cast a chatterbait or a spinnerbait a long way, even on 16lb fluorocarbon. 3 Quote
MiceNReets Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, bulldog1935 said: I would get a '21 Zillion or '22 HD while you still can - prices are low with new Zillion introduction. https://www.amazon.com/Daiwa-Gillion-1000H-Right-Handle/dp/B08NP3F5MV/ref=sr_1_3 note, SLPW-Z is without spool and handle https://www.amazon.com/Daiwa-Slp-Works-ZILLION-1000H/dp/B0BZC11WKH/ref=sr_1_1_pp There is a new zillion coming out? 1 Quote
Super User casts_by_fly Posted January 8 Super User Posted January 8 you said it yourself. You adore the zillion and haven't warmed up to the bantam. the met is pretty darn close to the bantam in feel. I think the met is just a touch lighter, but they are both the same hard metal feel. Get the zillion. FWIW, my zillion is on my 'slightly bigger' rod. I throw buzzbaits and big chatterbaits/swimjigs on that rod but also pitch and cast medium sized texas rigs. I use the bantam and met for similar offerings of different sizes on different rods. All will do all of the techniquest and all are comparable smooth for all of the techniques. Since you love the feel of the zillion and they are ~$50 cheaper that's what you should do. 1 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted January 8 Super User Posted January 8 8 minutes ago, MiceNReets said: There is a new zillion coming out? Not yet, but following new Steez, it will lose user-set Zero Adjust. Daiwa made this choice so we can't use aftermarket spools - same with SS Air. They won't even sell a spare spool for new Steez or SS Air - you have to buy another reel. 1 3 Quote
MiceNReets Posted January 8 Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said: Not yet, but following new Steez, it will lose user-set Zero Adjust. Daiwa made this choice so we can't use aftermarket spools - same with SS Air. They won't even sell a spare spool for new Steez or SS Air - you have to buy another reel. lame 😕 2 Quote
ABU is overpriced Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Zillion over everything available, including the 24 Met DC. Zil HD for $240 on amazon jp is a ridiculous deal. And while the standard 21 Zillion for $210 is amazing, for an additional cost of a vision 110, the upgrade is 1000% worth it to the HD version. 2 Quote
Bigbox99 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, FishTank said: I have each rendition of the new Zillion and really like them but for what you described, I like the Metanium 100. I have the 20 Metanium as well. There is just something different about the 100. It will cast a chatterbait or a spinnerbait a long way, even on 16lb fluorocarbon. 16lb fluorocarbon is absolutely vile on any modern Shimano SVS or older VBS I have used. The fast a free nature of those braking systems do not play well with stiff plastic lines forcing you to run a ton of spool tension effectively negating the whole reason for using that braking system in the 1st place. I love my fast and free sping reels (shimanos, daiwa HLC) but will never spool them with non braid again. Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted January 8 Super User Posted January 8 I have 3 Shimano reels with MGL spools, but haven't tried one yet. From what I've read, they get excellent distance. A fellow member said he had something like 12 of the Curado 150 MGL reels and planned on getting more. I like all my reels, but am slightly biased towards Daiwa reels. SV spools hurt distance. However, I don't know if the ones with Boost eliminated that. I get good distance with my SV spools, but when wanting maximum casting distance, I will use a different reel. Two of my favorite reels for distance are no longer made. Quote
Super User FishTank Posted January 8 Super User Posted January 8 42 minutes ago, Bigbox99 said: 16lb fluorocarbon is absolutely vile on any modern Shimano SVS or older VBS I have used. The fast a free nature of those braking systems do not play well with stiff plastic lines forcing you to run a ton of spool tension effectively negating the whole reason for using that braking system in the 1st place. I love my fast and free sping reels (shimanos, daiwa HLC) but will never spool them with non braid again. I have 20lb on one, 16lb on three reels, 14/15lb on three, 12lb on four, 10lb four, 6lb on three and 5lb on one . No issues but I also have braid to leader on two Daiwas. Each reel and line has a purpose for me. The 2020 Metanium has had 15lb Tatsu on it since I got it. I haven't respooled yet. Granted I did have to return a Metanium that had issues but the one I exchanged it for has been flawless. Quote
Bigbox99 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 35 minutes ago, FishTank said: I have 20lb on one, 16lb on three reels, 14/15lb on three, 12lb on four, 10lb four, 6lb on three and 5lb on one . No issues but I also have braid to leader on two Daiwas. Each reel and line has a purpose for me. The 2020 Metanium has had 15lb Tatsu on it since I got it. I haven't respooled yet. Granted I did have to return a Metanium that had issues but the one I exchanged it for has been flawless. How? Are you using spool tension to vastly slow down the spool to yank the line taunt between the spool and bait on the cast? That's the only way I can imagine 20 pound fluoro coming off a met and what I have to do to my reels that can't handle fluoro. It's better than line fluffing up every cast but it's still awful feeling to cast like that. Quote
Super User FishTank Posted January 8 Super User Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, Bigbox99 said: How? Are you using spool tension to vastly slow down the spool to yank the line taunt between the spool and bait on the cast? That's the only way I can imagine 20 pound fluoro coming off a met and what I have to do to my reels that can't handle fluoro. It's better than line fluffing up every cast but it's still awful feeling to cast like that. I have the 20lb on a Calcutta for swimbaits and big cranks. No issues. Not doing anything special. Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted January 8 Author Super User Posted January 8 so. muddy water time. the Zillion HD has a longer handle? same spool? this is solid advice, since it is more available. Quote
softwateronly Posted January 8 Posted January 8 45 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: so. muddy water time. the Zillion HD has a longer handle? same spool? this is solid advice, since it is more available. Inbetween weight, 200g, compared to met 20 and bantam if that factors in. scott Quote
LonnieP Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Darth-Baiter said: so. muddy water time. the Zillion HD has a longer handle? same spool? this is solid advice, since it is more available. Zillion HD has MagZ spool, not SV. Has brass gears instead of aluminum, longer handle and black paint. Quote
ABU is overpriced Posted January 8 Posted January 8 100mm handle with power knobs, 10BB, meta star drag, engine cover and zero adjuster collar. Looks much higher end as well. Not sure how a reel can surpass this as $240. Quote
woolleyfooley Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 hours ago, new2BC4bass said: I have 3 Shimano reels with MGL spools, but haven't tried one yet. From what I've read, they get excellent distance. A fellow member said he had something like 12 of the Curado 150 MGL reels and planned on getting more. I like all my reels, but am slightly biased towards Daiwa reels. SV spools hurt distance. However, I don't know if the ones with Boost eliminated that. I get good distance with my SV spools, but when wanting maximum casting distance, I will use a different reel. Two of my favorite reels for distance are no longer made. I believe boost (as in sv boost and mag z boost) did add distance as it affects the last half of the cast. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong. Quote
Fishingmickey Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Darth-Baiter said: so. muddy water time. the Zillion HD has a longer handle? same spool? this is solid advice, since it is more available. 100 mm handle. Well Darth, You could always ask AJay what he thinks of Bantams.... FM Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted January 8 Author Super User Posted January 8 43 minutes ago, ABU is overpriced said: 100mm handle with power knobs, 10BB, meta star drag, engine cover and zero adjuster collar. Looks much higher end as well. Not sure how a reel can surpass this as $240. and its BLACK? nice!!! thanks. Quote
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