EWG Short Shank Treble Hooks & 1 Point Inline with Hook Eye

[DEPS_250]

I love treble hooks that have 1 point inline with the hook eye. Makes the belly/front treble hook lay flat against the body of the bait and therefore forces 1 point in front of the bait and 1 point to either side of the bait on the left and right.

 

I have never tried EWG short shank hooks before. I just ordered some Owner Short Shank ST-35's to try out and they are coming tomorrow. I know for a fact the Owner Short Shank ST-35's have 1 point inline with the hook eye.

 

On the other hand, I also wanted to try out the Gamakatsu Short Shank Magic Eye and the Mustad KVD Elite Triple Grip 2X Short 1X Strong. Does anyone know if these 2 treble hook models have 1 of the points inline with the eye of the hook? For some reason, a google images search came up with nothing and I could not find any info or image/photo showcasing whether these hooks have 1 of the points inline with the eye of the hook. All of the local tackle shops by me don't carry both of these hooks. 

[A-Jay]

47 minutes ago, DEPS_250 said:

I love treble hooks that have 1 point inline with the hook eye. Makes the belly/front treble hook lay flat against the body of the bait and therefore forces 1 point in front of the bait and 1 point to either side of the bait on the left and right.

 

I have never tried EWG short shank hooks before. I just ordered some Owner Short Shank ST-35's to try out and they are coming tomorrow. I know for a fact the Owner Short Shank ST-35's have 1 point inline with the hook eye.

 

On the other hand, I also wanted to try out the Gamakatsu Short Shank Magic Eye and the Mustad KVD Elite Triple Grip 2X Short 1X Strong. Does anyone know if these 2 treble hook models have 1 of the points inline with the eye of the hook? For some reason, a google images search came up with nothing and I could not find any info or image/photo showcasing whether these hooks have 1 of the points inline with the eye of the hook. All of the local tackle shops by me don't carry both of these hooks. 

I use ALL 3 of these hooks mentioned.

Just about anything with a treble hook.

IMO, they are superior to most any stock hardware offering, with only a few exceptions.

The Magic eye goes on my lightest line bait applications.

So 10 lbs  line/leader and under.

The Mustad goes on slightly heavier deals of 12-15 lb line.

The ST-35's I use on the 'fattest' or big bodied cranks and topwaters.

Helps get the hook points off the bait to allow for a better hook up percentage.

Don't forget match your split rings and line tie to the rest of your hardware.

 

I take a pretty deep dive into the treble hook rabbit hole right here . . .

https://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/241684-treble-hook-replacement-~-one-man’s-theory-application/

 

Good Luck

A-Jay

 

[SkippinJimmy]

Yes n the 35’s and 36’s.  No on the Elites.  Not sure on the Magic Eye’s.

 

[SkippinJimmy]

It’s a yes on the G-Finesse FWIW.

[DEPS_250]

4 hours ago, SkippinJimmy said:

Yes n the 35’s and 36’s.  No on the Elites.  Not sure on the Magic Eye’s.

 

The Mustad KVD Elite Triple Grip 2X Short 1X Strong are totally out of the picture. Just did another google search and found a better picture on google images that finally shows that the hook eye is totally perpendicular to 1 of the points and therefore is not going to work for my intended purpose. 

 

On the other hand, The Gamakatsu EWG Short Shank Magic Eye trebles will work. Did a google search again and finally found an image that shows the Gamakatsu EWG Short Shank Magic Eye having 1 point inline with the hook eye. 

 

For anyone reading this post and trying to figure out how to tell if a treble hook has a point inline with the hook eye...

 

Basically, there is only 2 ways for a hook manufacturer to weld/create a treble hook. They can either...

1. Weld 2 opposing hooks at a set/designated angle/degree to a single hook that already has an inline hook eye. Or...
2. Weld 1 hook to a Double hook that is similar in design/concept to a double frog hook, that has 2 points/hooks created from 1 piece of steel and that has a horizontal hook eye but with the 2 points set at a certain angle/degrees from 90 degrees perpendicular. 

 

If you get good at analyzing treble hook pictures/images online, you can clearly see the weld joints/seams and clearly see how the manufacturer welded and/or created the treble hook based on what I outlined above. 

 

Treble hooks that have a point inline with the hook eye, like Owners, tend to have a weld that looks really thick and you can kind of make out where they welded the 2 pieces of steel to the 1 hook. Therefore, if you get really good, you can kind of make out where the 2 pieces of steel meet and also where the top of both pieces of steel stop/shuts off and is therefore more parallel/inline with the hook eye.  

 

Treble hooks that do not have a point inline with the hook eye, like the Mustad KVDs, tend to have cleaner and thinner looking welds since they only need to weld 1 piece of steel. Therefore, if you get really good, you can kind of make out how the bend in the hook eye created the double frog hook design and where the 1 piece of steel gets welded in the middle of the frog hook and also where the top stops/shuts off and is therefore more perpendicular/pointing straight at the hook eye. 

[DEPS_250]

4 hours ago, A-Jay said:

I use ALL 3 of these hooks mentioned.

Just about anything with a treble hook.

IMO, they are superior to most any stock hardware offering, with only a few exceptions.

The Magic eye goes on my lightest line bait applications.

So 10 lbs  line/leader and under.

The Mustad goes on slightly heavier deals of 12-15 lb line.

The ST-35's I use on the 'fattest' or big bodied cranks and topwaters.

Helps get the hook points off the bait to allow for a better hook up percentage.

Don't forget match your split rings and line tie to the rest of your hardware.

 

I take a pretty deep dive into the treble hook rabbit hole right here . . .

https://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/241684-treble-hook-replacement-~-one-man’s-theory-application/

 

Good Luck

A-Jay

 

 

I just wish Owner would make a ST-35 but with the Zo-Wire materials/construction for guys like me who need a beefier/stronger hook, while also needing a thin diameter and light weight in order to not have a major impact/effect on a bait's action.  

 

Or better yet, just make an EWG Short Shank version/variant of the STX-45 Zo-Wire for guys who prefer the compact EWG Short Shank profile/look. I don't know, maybe Owner can call it the STX-44 or STX-46? 

[papajoe222]

I am curious. Is there any advantage to having one of the hooks in line with the eye, or is it just a confidence thing on your part. When replacing trebles with single hook, I can see the advantage to one line tie angle over another. On trebles, I don't see it.

[A-Jay]

1 hour ago, papajoe222 said:

I am curious. Is there any advantage to having one of the hooks in line with the eye, or is it just a confidence thing on your part. When replacing trebles with single hook, I can see the advantage to one line tie angle over another. On trebles, I don't see it.

Not certain how you might do it,

but this is how I define 'advantage'.

A-Jay

[SkippinJimmy]

13 hours ago, papajoe222 said:

I am curious. Is there any advantage to having one of the hooks in line with the eye, or is it just a confidence thing on your part. When replacing trebles with single hook, I can see the advantage to one line tie angle over another. On trebles, I don't see it.

I’m with you on the questionable advantage.  There are many who believe a hook inline with eye will lie flatter against the baits belly on the front hook and ride with one hook up (or down depending on preference) and one hook on each side on the trail hook.  When motionless, this visually looks true.  However, I believe the addition of a split ring as well as the resistance and bait action will offset any very slight difference in the hook to eye orientation.

 

I just answered the question as stated because I wasn’t asked for my opinion.  I do pay attention to the orientation of the hook point when changing trebles but I personally don’t make my treble purchases based on whether the eye is inline or perpendicular.

[OkobojiEagle]

22 hours ago, papajoe222 said:

I am curious. Is there any advantage to having one of the hooks in line with the eye, or is it just a confidence thing on your part. 

FOR ME, I clip the leading point from the front treble on lip-less and square bill crankbaits to lessen the weeds these baits pick up in my lakes.  (I'm not a tournament angler)

 

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