Protein

[Mobasser]

My doctor recommended that I add protein to my diet. I'm using a Wey powder. I've been mixing about half a scoop with a small glass of milk, once early in the morning, and again around two or three o'clock in the afternoon.              I've been doing this for two weeks now, and I'm starting to see some positive results. A little more energy throughout the day.                                          Has anyone else used a protein powder? What brand do you like, and, have you noticed much difference in how you feel?                                                    

[LrgmouthShad]

I used to take Micellar Casein protein powder before bed which is a slow-release protein. Nowadays I don’t take supplements. I get all my nutrition from food. Chicken breast is king for lean protein, but any nutritious meals that taste good are better because you are more likely to stick with it. I do have higher energy with more protein in my diet. Cutting back on alcohol is my current focus. 

[A-Jay]

My wife is on a very strict diet and has regular appointments with a nutritionist. 

Lynn needs sufficient quality protein every day.

The nutritionist recommends ProCel Protein Supplement Ready-To-Mix Powder, Unflavored.

The VA supplies it for us.

It's mixes easily into anything & everything hot or cold

and is a great way to get the protein needed.

 

 

A-Jay

[MN Fisher]

I usually eat enough meat to get my needed protein, but I'll occasionally add some with one of these....they use whey and soy protein in them. There's more flavors, but these are the three I like.

 

 

[casts_by_fly]

you can add protein a couple different ways.  Powder like you are is one.  Premade protein drinks are similar.  I keep some 42g protein drinks in the house for when I feel snacky.  

 

The other option is making good food choices.  If you're a 'little and often' type of eater, then things like low fat cottage cheese, low fat greek yogurt ,and other low fat dairy are good choices.  You get a good hit of protein, you're having actual food with other nutrients, and you're fulfiling a 'meal' in your regular eating schedule.  If you're a snacker then the same rules apply.  If you're more of the 3 meals a day, no snacks, no in between, then adjusting your meal choices will help with protein intake while maintaining your total calorie intake.  Chicken breast is the king of lean protein as noted.  A nominal chicken breast is about 1/3rd protein by weight and not that much fat/calories.  So an average 4 oz chicken breast is going to be about 40g and only 250 calories or so with around 5g fat.  The same 4 oz of ground beef (80/20) is almost 300 calories, only ~20g protein, and adds an additional18g fat.  And adding in a bit of precooked shredded chicken is an easy way to bulk up a meal (both physical bulk and protein).  We'll throw a cup or two of shredded chicken into a pot of soup.

 

if you're a big breakfast eater, protein pancakes are a good choice.  You can get the protein powder into the pancake mix for added protein in your diet.  You were going to eat the pancake already, right?  Add protein.  

[A-Jay]

Ok ~ as a veteran Fitness person, I've had to adapt my diet in may ways to compensate for my declining - - -  Well everything.

Including my ability to recover and even how much food I can effectively digest/assimilate at a time.

My 'secret move' is to have a protein drink in the middle of the night.

Like 1-2 AM. 

I make sure I have a Big H2O before bed,

which all but guarantees me of the the need to get up and use the head about that time.

I make the drink before retiring and just down it before I go back to bed.

The extra 40 grams of protein has been a Huge benefit

as I was finding it tough to get what I needed during normal waking hours.

Drink is made with 1/2 2% milk and 1/2 water.

Something to think about.

A-Jay

 

[Mobasser]

9 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

Ok ~ as a veteran Fitness person, I've had to adapt my diet in may ways to compensate for my declining - - -  Well everything.

Including my ability to recover and even how much food I can effectively digest/assimilate at a time.

My 'secret move' is to have a protein drink in the middle of the night.

Like 1-2 AM. 

I make sure I have a Big H2O before bed,

which all but guarantees me of the the need to get up and use the head about that time.

I make the drink before retiring and just down it before I go back to bed.

The extra 40 grams of protein has been a Huge benefit

as I was finding it tough to get what I needed during normal waking hours.

Drink is made with 1/2 2% milk and 1/2 water.

Something to think about.

A-Jay

 

A-Jay, basically my doc said that we all may need extra protein as we get older. As some of the guys have said, it starts with a good diet. Eggs, good cuts of meat, beans etc, can all be good for protein. Stay away from junk food, fast food etc.                                            In my case, my protein powder drinks add a little extra, and help with any lacking protein. It certainly can't hurt at all. I've learned to analyze what I'm eating now. When we're young, we don't always do this.

[A-Jay]

4 hours ago, Mobasser said:

A-Jay, basically my doc said that we all may need extra protein as we get older. As some of the guys have said, it starts with a good diet. Eggs, good cuts of meat, beans etc, can all be good for protein. Stay away from junk food, fast food etc.                                            In my case, my protein powder drinks add a little extra, and help with any lacking protein. It certainly can't hurt at all. I've learned to analyze what I'm eating now. When we're young, we don't always do this.

Always listen to your doctor.

A-Jay

 

[Rockhopper]

24 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

Always listen to your doctor.

As someone who has worked in healthcare for the last 24 years, I couldn't disagree more. 🤣

 

I would most likely ALWAYS listen to a specialist.  90% of them are very knowledgeable and really know what they are talking about.

 

Anything coming from a family practice doc, fnp, primary care provider, etc...my advice is to take that with a grain of salt and do your own research as well, and, if needed, seek a second opinion from a specialist.

 

Regarding my own health, I always skip the middle man (primary care providers) and go straight to the source (specialists).  BUT I have the benefit of being able to cherry pick the doctor I am after since I know most the docs in my area.  Heck, I do not even have a primary care doc anymore.

[newapti5]

Interesting, never thought I'd learn some health advice here today.

I am in the middle of losing some before hitting the big five-oh. Do you guys think losing 10 lb per month is a little too much? I have already gotten rid of about 50 lb, through diets and 3 times a week gym visit, and my goal is reaching 160, with a six feet height. I tried to increase my daily protein intake, but don't want to overdo it to burden my kidneys.

[Rockhopper]

5 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

Interesting, never thought I'd learn some health advice here today.

I am in the middle of losing some before hitting the big five-oh. Do you guys think losing 10 lb per month is a little too much? I have already gotten rid of about 50 lb, through diets and 3 times a week gym visit, and my goal is reaching 160, with a six feet height.

What do you weigh now?  For basic weight loss goals, loosing 1-2 per week is healthy...but if you are starting at a bigger weight...initially you may loose 10/month but it will slowly start to taper to a healthy weight loss of 1-2 a week.

[newapti5]

1 minute ago, Rockhopper said:

what do you weigh now?

 

200 lb, 6 feet even. Was about 250 lb five months ago.

[A-Jay]

Yesterday

Four Hundred and twenty Five Pounds for twelve and then fifteen repetitions.

One Hundred and Sixty pounds, so 2.65 times body weight.

No wraps, No straps, No belt.

Sixty Five years old

I eat Protein.

https://youtu.be/1JuNB0Hq7y8?feature=shared&t=37

A-Jay

 

[gim]

8 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

 

200 lb, 6 feet even. Was about 250 lb five months ago.

 

Honestly I wouldn't go much lighter.  I'm 6'2" and weigh a little more than you do, but my desired weight is 207-212 pounds.  This information was given to me from a registered personal trainer that helped me for a brief time period.  Dropping below a certain weight will start to trim muscle, something I'm not interested in.

 

If you're going strictly on BMI, don't.  Basic BMI doesn't account for any muscle.  Its strictly a simple height to weight ratio.  If athletes like football players went by BMI, they'd be considered severely over weight.

 

Now, if you're a marathon runner, then BMI has its uses.

 

Also, remember that health is not just on the outside either.  Its what's on the inside too, including mentally.  Maintaining heart health is important and can be accomplished through various cardiovascular exercises.

[Rockhopper]

3 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

 

200 lb, 6 feet even. Was about 250 lb five months ago.

200lb and 6 foot is not too far off from a healthy weight to begin with.  But you have to consider muscle weight vs fat, and what is a good healthy weight for your body and your frame.  Ajay just gave some great advice.  Forget about the scale.  

 

I am 6'3" with very wide shoulders, but pretty skinny everywhere else, and my legs are very long with a 38" inseem.  I feel the healthiest at around 190lb, and start to feel like I am getting fat at about 210lb.  BUT I do not have a lot of muscle mass.  I got the skinny genes.

[TnRiver46]

Fishing forum…… protein……..

 

 

fish is protein!!!

[MediumMouthBass]

Protein powder, protein drinks, protein bars, and almost every workout supplement often hurts more than helps.

Many brands have tons of added junk, aka fillers. Some of these can potentially be harmful or cause issues. There isnt much oversight on protein powder, or its ingredients.

And theres a few (especially on Amazon) that were proven to have harmful, very harmful chemicals in them.

You have to do some research on brands, theres a few that are very clean and have several independent studies into their product and offer full transparency into it as well.

Then theres the personal issues, like one may be fine for me but cause stomach issues for you.

Bloating, cramps, other unpleasant stomach issues are very common for alot more people than you would think. Most people keep taking it because all they care about are building muscles, if you have an issue switch to a different brand until one works for you and your needs.

 

The best source of protein on this earth is food. It cant be replaced.

Meats, fish, eggs, dairy products, and certain nuts are the king as they always will be.

A shake, bar, or premade drink can definitely be beneficial, but they wont really add much protein to your daily intake. Maybe 20-30 grams (not including milk or anything else added) the average person needs 60-100 or 100-200 depending on goals of course. You still need to fill that gap whether big or small with real foods, like meat and eggs. I aim for 100-150, a shake helps but it barely puts a dent in. Everybody's needs for protein are different. Look at guys who hit the gym alot, they take a shake, and then proceed to eat 3-5 more meals of food. A shake is a good alternative for saving time, and thats really it. Still beneficial like i said but not the best or only option for everyone or there needs/goals.

 

I used protein powder for years, saved alot of time, and i built some muscle.

I stopped taking it for several reasons, i didnt like the taste, and it upset my stomach, i also had an injury that set me back far, my strength is still greatly reduced but with eating real foods now for all my meals i actually have more muscle than i did before. Even with reduced strength? How about that. Plus all the benefits that come from these food sources, like vitamins and nutrients.

If i need a shake for a quick meal i will just take peanut butter, high protein greek yougurt, and milk.

It tastes great, no stomach issues, i actually know whats in it, theres not a list of 30 chemicals, and it gives me the same if not more protein.

3 hours ago, Rockhopper said:

200lb and 6 foot is not too far off from a healthy weight to begin with.  But you have to consider muscle weight vs fat, and what is a good healthy weight for your body and your frame.  Ajay just gave some great advice.  Forget about the scale.  

 

I am 6'3" with very wide shoulders, but pretty skinny everywhere else, and my legs are very long with a 38" inseem.  I feel the healthiest at around 190lb, and start to feel like I am getting fat at about 210lb.  BUT I do not have a lot of muscle mass.  I got the skinny genes.

 

3 hours ago, gimruis said:

If you're going strictly on BMI, don't.  Basic BMI doesn't account for any muscle.  Its strictly a simple height to weight ratio.  If athletes like football players went by BMI, they'd be considered severely over weight.

These 2 along with @A-Jay are very correct about this.

Im younger than most people here, so the new BMI charts are very horrible. Ive always been considered very obese because of my BMI.

Im 6'2" and run from 200-215lbs. I look skinny..... I dont have a six pack but im not fat either....

Doctors told me i should weigh 145-165, im not even sure if i could survive being that weight.

[newapti5]

Thanks guys! Appreciate the words and advice. I am just average built, not too much muscle not too little, except some abnormally large calf since childhood🤦‍♂️ . Friends always say I should show people that instead of my arms and fists before a fight.

[Mobasser]

I'm 6'0 and currently 200 lbs. I'm shooting for 190, my old weight. And down from 235 of extra flubber. I feel good.

[Rockhopper]

3 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

Thanks guys! Appreciate the words and advice. I am just average built, not too much muscle not too little, except some abnormally large calf since childhood🤦‍♂️ . Friends always say I should show people that instead of my arms and fists before a fight.

I bet if you consider cutting to about 180/85 and then build back about 10lbs of lean muscle coming in at around 190/95 all said and done with your height you would be very happy with how you feel and very happy with the mirror test.  Depends on what your goals are.

 

One other note...if you are just trying to cut weight and NOT gain muscle...don't mix that powder with milk.  Use water.  And eat lots of high protein and high healthy fat foods.

[newapti5]

3 minutes ago, Rockhopper said:

I bet if you consider cutting to about 180/85 and then build back about 10lbs of lean muscle coming in at around 190/95 all said and done with your height you would be very happy with how you feel and very happy with the mirror test.  Depends on what your goals are.

 

One other note...if you are just trying to cut weight and NOT gain muscle...don't mix that powder with milk.  Use water.  And eat lots of high protein and high healthy fat foods.

 

Thanks again. Building muscle is definitely one of my goals, as well as losing some weight. They could both help lower my blood sugar. 

Ok, I feel like this is getting way off of topic here. I'll be quiet now.

[gim]

29 minutes ago, MediumMouthBass said:

Im 6'2" and run from 200-215lbs. I look skinny..... I dont have a six pack but im not fat either....

Doctors told me i should weigh 145-165, im not even sure if i could survive being that weight.

 

That's absurd.  And very unhealthy.  A stiff wind would blow you right to the gulf of mexico.

 

#flagpole

[VolFan]

I use Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard whey and Vital Proteins Collagen. I add a ton of spinach to my protein shakes. I put the collagen in soups and coffee, but it will also dissolve in cold beverages. I like the chocolate Optimum Nutrition but the vanilla is also good. The taste and texture are just better for me than anything else I’ve found. A big thing with protein shakes is that if you just do powder and water it doesn’t really stop your hunger. It helps to add greens or berries or an orange, just for the fiber. Be careful of the calories if you are trying to lose weight.

[MN Fisher]

2 hours ago, gimruis said:

Honestly I wouldn't go much lighter.  I'm 6'2" and weigh a little more than you do, but my desired weight is 207-212 pounds. 

Agree with Gim - I'm 6'1" and 210....my ideal is around 195, but I've a slimmer build than average. The ankle issue has prevented me from a lot of the exercise I usually get - hence the slight overweight condition I'm now in.

 

Check with a doc to see what your idea weight should be - it's not the same for everyone who's six-foot-nil.

[TnRiver46]

48 minutes ago, VolFan said:

I use Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard whey and Vital Proteins Collagen. I add a ton of spinach to my protein shakes. I put the collagen in soups and coffee, but it will also dissolve in cold beverages. I like the chocolate Optimum Nutrition but the vanilla is also good. The taste and texture are just better for me than anything else I’ve found. A big thing with protein shakes is that if you just do powder and water it doesn’t really stop your hunger. It helps to add greens or berries or an orange, just for the fiber. Be careful of the calories if you are trying to lose weight.

I can’t do spinach. Used to eat tons of it and got food poisoning, I’d rather eat gravel now