If you use snaps, are the front split rings on the line tie really necessary on jerkbaits like the Vision 110?

[Ohioguy25]

I recently ordered a 110 off of Amazon. Apparently some JDM issues didn’t ship with the front O rings. Do I need to add one if I am using a snap or am I affecting the action and need to add a split ring and tie direct?

[Peacedivision]

JDM visions don't come with a nose split ring that's normal, you will also find the center treble is barbless. The use of snaps is a lot more common in Japan so no need to add a split ring if that's the route you're going.

[MediumMouthBass]

If you are using snaps one thing to think about doing is going the JDM Vision route for all your lures.

Buy a pair of spilt ring pliers and remove front rings on your most used lures. It costs about $10 but the real price is how much time it takes to do this.

I didnt like tying knots every time i wanted to change lures when i first got into bass fishing, i only used snaps. Connecting a snap to a ring created a bigger profile and changed actions on certain baits, so i bought the tool and it made it much better.

I then learned the SDJ knot and went all in on it. Plus i also didnt like how much good quality snaps costs. The cheaper ones bend and snap.

[Junger]

Either use a snap, or tie a loop knot. I find doubling up can affect the action intended for the lure, at least that’s my experience and catch rate.

[JHoss]

No. Snap OR Split Ring in my opinion. Having both increases the noise from the bait and a second possible failure point without any benefits aside from saving the time to remove the split ring.

[A-Jay]

I fish a jerkbait now and then, even some Vision 110's.

For the line tie ~ I do not do clips or ROUND split rings, on anything.

I will forever be an OVAL split ring guy.

A-Jay

[rboat]

I like a good quality clip and no split ring.

[Spankey]

You could also try to tie a Rapala knot to your floater diver and eliminate the snap and split ring. 
But I can see the convenience of a snap.

I have to agree with A-Jay on the use of the oval split rings. Many of the SK crankbaits come with them. Liked the way they performed and switched over many of my Rapala cranks. 

 

 

[A-Jay]

25 minutes ago, Spankey said:

You could also try to tie a Rapala knot to your floater diver and eliminate the snap and split ring. 
But I can see the convenience of a snap.

I have to agree with A-Jay on the use of the oval split rings. Many of the SK crankbaits come with them. Liked the way they performed and switched over many of my Rapala cranks. 

 

I can totally see the convenience of a snap.

However what I'm not a fan of, is that the few times I have used clips,

it's almost like the clip itself prevents me from re-tying the connection knot.

So I end up fishing that connection knot, cast after cast, fish after fish;

meaning WAY longer than I normally would.

When I HAVE to re-tie to change lures or after a few plus size fish.

I have had clips open up on me but I will admit it's a super rare occurrence.

Happens with the same frequency as having a treble hook split ring stretch out or even fail.

SO I don't consider clip failure as a problem,

but old, worn and or frayed connection knots lose fish,

especially big fish with FC line or leader.

So, I am all about re-tying to that oval split ring whenever I feel the urge.

Yup, I might have a problem.

🤓

A-May

[Bankbeater]

I've been attaching the snap to the split ring for years with no issues.  A snap won't last forever, and if it seems like it opens too easy I will cut it off and put on a new snap. 

[MickD]

42 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

I fish a jerkbait now and then, even some Vision 110's.

I do not do clips or ROUND split rings, on anything.

I will forever be an OVAL split ring guy.

A-Jay

Based on your pic, I assume you've been robbing banks again.  🙂

[A-Jay]

11 minutes ago, MickD said:

Based on your pic, I assume you've been robbing banks again.  🙂

LOL ~ Don't tell anyone.

Quik-Mart is my go to.

btw- the pictured baits are 'just for display'

I'm not actually allowed to reveal my entire collection

as it has been deemed 'too dangerous',

by the bait monkey.

A-Jay

 

[gim]

I asked Megabass about this last year. I had noticed that some 110’s came with a split ring and some did not.

 

They responded and said the ones without a split ring were intended for the Japanese market. Ones with a split ring are marketed for the North American base.

 

I added a split ring to the ones that did not come with one.

[F14A-B]

14 minutes ago, MickD said:

Based on your pic, I assume you've been robbing banks again.  🙂

Right? He asked my address the other day!! Haha 🤣🤣🤣

Seriously, I know me, but if I’m gonna throw a 25 dollar jerk bait it ain’t gonna have a snap on it..

 

Hey, that’s just me. 

[Ohioguy25]

3 hours ago, A-Jay said:

I fish a jerkbait now and then, even some Vision 110's.

I do not do clips or ROUND split rings, on anything.

I will forever be an OVAL split ring guy.

A-Jay

Interesting, what is it exactly about oval split rings that you prefer or that is superior? I noticed LC uses them.

[A-Jay]

21 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Interesting, what is it exactly about oval split rings that you prefer or that is superior? I noticed LC uses them.

Look at the diagrams on the package.

Prevents knot slide which might damage the connection knot

.

A-Jay

[Aaron_H]

18 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

Look at the diagrams on the package.

Prevents knot slide which might damage the connection knot

.

A-Jay

 

I've also had knots slip between the coils of cheaper split rings, would eventually work its way completely free if I hadn't noticed during a retie. Oval split rings on all hard baits for years now, never had another issue.

[gim]

1 hour ago, A-Jay said:

Look at the diagrams on the package.

Prevents knot slide which might damage the connection knot

I think the better word is “reduce,” not prevent. The knot can easily still slide and damage a connection knot. Certainly the simple physics and oval shape compared to a circular split ring would reduce the chances of it. But it’s definitely still possible.

 

I’m skeptical that there is a way to completely prevent it from occurring.

[A-Jay]

13 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I think the better word is “reduce,” not prevent. The knot can easily still slide and damage a connection knot. Certainly the simple physics and oval shape compared to a circular split ring would reduce the chances of it. But it’s definitely still possible.

 

I’m skeptical that there is a way to completely prevent it from occurring.

Nope ~

I'm sticking with Prevent and Impossible on this one.

A-Jay

 

[MN Fisher]

6 hours ago, A-Jay said:

I will forever be an OVAL split ring guy.

Yep - first thing I do when I get a new jerkbait is put an Owner Oval on the front, either as a new add-on or replacing the round ring.

 

Crankbaits get the Owner Teardrop....wider wobble with that.

[Ohioguy25]

11 hours ago, A-Jay said:

Look at the diagrams on the package.

Prevents knot slide which might damage the connection knot

.

A-Jay

 

10 hours ago, Aaron_H said:

 

I've also had knots slip between the coils of cheaper split rings, would eventually work its way completely free if I hadn't noticed during a retie. Oval split rings on all hard baits for years now, never had another issue.

 

9 hours ago, gimruis said:

I think the better word is “reduce,” not prevent. The knot can easily still slide and damage a connection knot. Certainly the simple physics and oval shape compared to a circular split ring would reduce the chances of it. But it’s definitely still possible.

 

I’m skeptical that there is a way to completely prevent it from occurring.

 

7 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

Yep - first thing I do when I get a new jerkbait is put an Owner Oval on the front, either as a new add-on or replacing the round ring.

 

Crankbaits get the Owner Teardrop....wider wobble with that.

If I am bound & determined to use a snap instead of a split ring, what is the absolute best style/brand I can get for this application?

[MN Fisher]

22 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

If I am bound & determined to use a snap instead of a split ring, what is the absolute best style/brand I can get for this application?

Personally I'd go with VMC DuoLocks if I was to ever use snaps.

[Mike L]

Norman Speed Clips. 
 

The fatter your fingers the harder to open especially in cold weather without a tool. 
When closed they stay closed 

 

 

 

 

Mike

[RevoSEMIpro]

13 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

 

 

 

If I am bound & determined to use a snap instead of a split ring, what is the absolute best style/brand I can get for this application?

VMC - size 0

 

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/VMC_Crankbait_Snaps/descpage-VMCCS.html?from=basres&utm_source=automated_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=order_confirmation

[JHoss]

14 hours ago, gimruis said:

I think the better word is “reduce,” not prevent. The knot can easily still slide and damage a connection knot. Certainly the simple physics and oval shape compared to a circular split ring would reduce the chances of it. But it’s definitely still possible.

 

I’m skeptical that there is a way to completely prevent it from occurring.

I'd say you can completely prevent it by using a quick clip. The only sharp spots are the ends of the wire and if your knot hits that, your baits already gone.

 

4 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

If I am bound & determined to use a snap instead of a split ring, what is the absolute best style/brand I can get for this application?

You're going to get a different answer from everyone. I don't have a brand preference, but I like the quick clip style like these instead of a traditional snap. I just buy whatever brand the local tackle shop has at the time I need to restock. Usually around the 20-30 lb range.