Shimano's DC patent is expiring very soon. Flood gates on Daiwa DC reels are about to open.

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Was reading some stuff on reddit, and saw a guy saying how the patent for self charging DC system from Shimano is expiring early 2025. But after digging myself, it looks like its already expired earlier in 2024? So not too sure which is correct, but it does seem like Shimano's exclusivity on the DC braking is ending.

Are we about to get flooded by Daiwa DC reels in 2025 and 2026?

[Bigbox99]

The manufacture or Bates reels already has a DC module reel.

https://www.loongzefishing.com/dbc-a100.html

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5 minutes ago, Bigbox99 said:

The manufacture or Bates reels already has a DC module reel.

https://www.loongzefishing.com/dbc-a100.html

Yea i am aware, but i've seen plenty of videos on youtube people having issues with that braking system where it would change braking adjustements on its own, or set itself for maximum braking force. Not interested in the Chinese stuff tbh.

Also, just found out that the DC patent has already expired in a lot of places, but not in the US. Early 2025 is when it expires in the US.

[new2BC4bass]

I like the DC reel I have.  However, I would never buy one from Daiwa.  Why?  Don't think it's an advantage over what Daiwa is already marketing.  If anything, I would expect Shimano to put out some reels with the Daiwa breaking system when their patent runs out.

[FishTank]

I like my Curado DC but I don't think Daiwa will go that route. They simply don't need to.

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4 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

I like the DC reel I have.  However, I would never buy one from Daiwa.  Why?  Don't think it's an advantage over what Daiwa is already marketing.  If anything, I would expect Shimano to put out some reels with the Daiwa breaking system when their patent runs out.

Its a massive advantage for marketing alone. A Zillion DC could be huge.

[MediumMouthBass]

Is there a difference between the gimmick SLX DC reels promoted by every youtuber vs the better quality DC reels Shimano makes?

If not i doubt Daiwa would invest money into that if what they are already making is bringing in lots of $$$$$$$$.

Personally i would like them not to bring out a DC reel, i get that both companies already have similar products out on the market, but whats the point in being a Daiwa or Shimano fan if both companies become the same, selling the same reel?

I like my Daiwas for the reasons i dislike my Shimanos, and vise versa.

[casts_by_fly]

1 hour ago, ABU is overpriced said:

Its a massive advantage for marketing alone. A Zillion DC could be huge.

 

Nah.  Two reasons.  1- it would be a mixed marketing message to add DC to an SVTW.  They already say its the lowest input, easiest casing reel setup and they aren't wrong.  What does DC add to a consumer?  What does it add physically to the reel?  How do you differentiate that in your marketing message? 2- You'd be adding cost and complexity to a reel without a market need.  I don't have the sales figures to back this up (happy to be proven wrong) but I don't think DC reels are setting the world on fire saleswise.  Why go after a smaller niche market with a pricier offering when your current reel already does all of the things ("set it and forget it")?

[new2BC4bass]

2 hours ago, ABU is overpriced said:

Its a massive advantage for marketing alone. A Zillion DC could be huge.

Why?  Only complaints I've read about the current Zillion is some people don't find it comfortable.  Most complaining it's too small.  Everyone else seems to think it's one of the very best reels on the market.  Especially if you go with the JDM version...due to its price.

[rangerjockey]

46 minutes ago, casts_by_fly said:

 

Nah.  Two reasons.  1- it would be a mixed marketing message to add DC to an SVTW.  They already say its the lowest input, easiest casing reel setup and they aren't wrong.  What does DC add to a consumer?  What does it add physically to the reel?  How do you differentiate that in your marketing message? 2- You'd be adding cost and complexity to a reel without a market need.  I don't have the sales figures to back this up (happy to be proven wrong) but I don't think DC reels are setting the world on fire saleswise.  Why go after a smaller niche market with a pricier offering when your current reel already does all of the things ("set it and forget it")?

100%..If someone can't cast the SV TW they should probably stick to a spinning reel.

[garroyo130]

People don't go looking for DC reels and buy Shimano, they go looking for Shimano reels and buy DC. 

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, MediumMouthBass said:

Is there a difference between the gimmick SLX DC reels promoted by every youtuber vs the better quality DC reels Shimano makes?

If not i doubt Daiwa would invest money into that if what they are already making is bringing in lots of $$$$$$$$.

Personally i would like them not to bring out a DC reel, i get that both companies already have similar products out on the market, but whats the point in being a Daiwa or Shimano fan if both companies become the same, selling the same reel?

I like my Daiwas for the reasons i dislike my Shimanos, and vise versa.

I'd bet money that its not a matter of if, but when. I am 100% positive they have already been working on it for most likely over a year.

Many are crying about Daiwa being overbraked because of SV spools. What is a DC reel? Far from being overbraked. So if/when they have their dc reels, they will cover everything, from high control, best for skipping and long range bombs.

49 minutes ago, casts_by_fly said:

 

Nah.  Two reasons.  1- it would be a mixed marketing message to add DC to an SVTW.  They already say its the lowest input, easiest casing reel setup and they aren't wrong.  What does DC add to a consumer?  What does it add physically to the reel?  How do you differentiate that in your marketing message? 2- You'd be adding cost and complexity to a reel without a market need.  I don't have the sales figures to back this up (happy to be proven wrong) but I don't think DC reels are setting the world on fire saleswise.  Why go after a smaller niche market with a pricier offering when your current reel already does all of the things ("set it and forget it")?

They market it for long casting distances, just like what Shimano has been doing for over 20 years. Pretty simple, and they'll have their awesome gear sets, t-wing and all the custom rcs/slp spools. There is no negatives here.

[rangerjockey]

4 minutes ago, ABU is overpriced said:

I'd bet money that its not a matter of if, but when. I am 100% positive they have already been working on it for most likely over a year.

Many are crying about Daiwa being overbraked because of SV spools. What is a DC reel? Far from being overbraked. So if/when they have their dc reels, they will cover everything, from high control, best for skipping and long range bombs.

You must have learned that on you tube. 

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7 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

Why?  Only complaints I've read about the current Zillion is some people don't find it comfortable.  Most complaining it's too small.  Everyone else seems to think it's one of the very best reels on the market.  Especially if you go with the JDM version...due to its price.

In my opinion, its not one of the best, it is the best when the price is taken into consideration. But i am not talking about myself here. The broader community sees Daiwa reels being much more overbraked than Shimano offerings, and Daiwa having DC options will completely nulify this.

Just now, rangerjockey said:

You must have learned that on you tube.

Or having used well over 40 difference spools for the 34mm platform alone.

5 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

People don't go looking for DC reels and buy Shimano, they go looking for Shimano reels and buy DC. 

 

 

 

Well that's simply false. Plenty of people get an slx dc instead of the superior/higher end curado. The marketing of the "omg we have a computer chip inside our reels" works wonders, especially with the massive indirect marketing that's happening on youtube and reddit alone.

[rangerjockey]

5 minutes ago, ABU is overpriced said:

In my opinion, its not one of the best, it is the best when the price is taken into consideration. But i am not talking about myself here. The broader community sees Daiwa reels being much more overbraked than Shimano offerings, and Daiwa having DC options will completely nulify this.

Or having used well over 40 difference spools for the 34mm platform alone.

Who Cares. What does that prove, If you want to be first in line for a DC Daiwa be my guest. I think you may be waiting a while.

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Just now, rangerjockey said:

Who Cares. What does that prove, 

That i know how a huge chunk of stock and cutom spools perform inside a daiwa, specially those built on the 34mm platform. You tell me that i saw the "daiwa reels are overbraked" on youtube, and are just parroting it, when in reality, i have tested more spools to know what's up than all your youtubers.

To say that an SV spool casts as far as something like the SLP1010 spool, RC1016 spools, those mag-v type r, type r+ spools from the og steez and tdz, is simply not having any experience with what Daiwa has offered over the decades.

[rangerjockey]

4 minutes ago, ABU is overpriced said:

That i know how a huge chunk of stock and cutom spools perform inside a daiwa, specially those built on the 34mm platform. You tell me that i saw the "daiwa reels are overbraked" on youtube, and are just parroting it, when in reality, i have tested more spools to know what's up than all your youtubers.

To say that an SV spool casts as far as something like the SLP1010 spool, RC1016 spools, those mag-v type r, type r+ spools from the og steez and tdz, is simply not having any experience with what Daiwa has offered over the decades.

Again so what. What possible advantage is there to a spool that gives you another what ? 10 feet or 20 feet. ?  In the real world of fishing just step on the trolling motor. 

 

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6 minutes ago, rangerjockey said:

Again so what. What possible advantage is there to a spool that gives you another what ? 10 feet or 20 feet. ?  In the real world of fishing just step on the trolling motor. 

 

See? And this is what you're not taking into consideration. Not everyone is fishing from the boat, ESPECIALLY IN JAPAN. Casting distance is very important when you're a bank fisherman. As someone who primarily fishes from the bank, i have sold all my SV spools (SV Boost included), because they cannot compete with my other spools, even spools released in the early 2000s.

[Tennessee Boy]

This thread is heading in a bad direction.

 

 

 

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Just now, Tennessee Boy said:

This thread is heading in a bad direction.

 

 

 

I am sensing some resistance here. Its as if those who primarily use shimano reels, don't want to see DC reels from daiwa, even when the patent is expired. But if you believe that Daiwa ain't gonna be taking advantage of this, that's living in a delusional world.

[Mobasser]

Shimano, DC, Diawa. I don't even care. If it feels good I'm going fishin.

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[Rockhopper]

DC is pointless to me and I could care less who sells it.

[Gera]

Hope that Daiwa makes one, not because they are worst or better than shimano but because competition drives innovation and lower costs for everyone.

 

I have only one Curado DC reel that i use to cast cranks against the wind. works great for that.. but I wound not buy another. 

[Bigbox99]

We already have the IM Z. 

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2 hours ago, Rockhopper said:

DC is pointless to me and I could care less who sells it.

I agree, but when you get your first dc reel, and hear the whine, its cool for the first season you're using the reel. Then the coolness is over.

51 minutes ago, Bigbox99 said:

We already have the IM Z. 

Not the same. You need to charge that thing, and i don't think any sane person wants to waste their time doing that.