Daiwa SV spool question

[Flyfish-mt]

After reading about the Daiwa SV spool concept, does this format hinder casting distance over a Daiwa non-SV spool type?

[FryDog62]

Absolutely, I used to have a dozen reels with SV spools. I now only have 2 that I use to skip lures, the others have been replaced by Tatula Elite reels and I get 20-30% more distance.   

[casts_by_fly]

And it’s the same idea with mgl vs regular shimano spools. 
 

that said, and mgl or sv spool will cast as far as you need to for most anything. 

[Cgrinder]

Earlier SV reels, yes, definitely. Current SV reels, less so. SV-boost seems to have solved the issue for normal everyday bass fishing, though we'll see how the new Tatula SV performs.

[new2BC4bass]

Recently had the Zillion SV Boost and Okuma Hakai out.  Casting same lure and hook, but on different rods (both MHF) and with different lines, so not an apples to apples comparison, but best I could tell casting distance was pretty much the same.  The Hakai was said to be a great long distance caster in the TT review.

[bulldog1935]

I can duplicate this every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.  

Stock Steez or Zillion SVTW, stock SV Boost 1016 spool, 12-lb fluoro.  

Casting 1/8 oz consistent to 90'

 

but careful, it's a Gateway - swapping to aftermarket spool, you may get consistent casts with 1/8 oz (honeycomb SV) or even 1/16 oz (fixed rotor microcast) to 130'

 

 

[ABU is overpriced]

1 hour ago, FryDog62 said:

Absolutely, I used to have a dozen reels with SV spools. I now only have 2 that I use to skip lures, the others have been replaced by Tatula Elite reels and I get 20-30% more distance.   

Why did you replace a reel instead of the spool?

But yes, SV is not for distance. Casting lighter lures, being much better than everything else for skipping, casting at head wind and have superior control with non aero dynamic lures is what it excels at, but you ain't casting anywhere near as far as some older Daiwa spools like the Type R+ ones, and a bunch of others. Since i usually fish from the bank, and need max distance, i get rid of all my SV spools.

[Bigbox99]

56 minutes ago, ABU is overpriced said:

Why did you replace a reel instead of the spool?

But yes, SV is not for distance. Casting lighter lures, being much better than everything else for skipping, casting at head wind and have superior control with non aero dynamic lures is what it excels at, but you ain't casting anywhere near as far as some older Daiwa spools like the Type R+ ones, and a bunch of others. Since i usually fish from the bank, and need max distance, i get rid of all my SV spools.

Brother in Christ, nornoids can't even fathom changing a reel handle to a different one and think you have to throw the reel away and buy another one with a bigger handle.  Changing braking profiles with spool swaps and maintaining a list of spools that are compatible in their minds was never on the table.  You're literally going to die if you spend any more time here.  Return to TT.

[ABU is overpriced]

33 minutes ago, Bigbox99 said:

Brother in Christ, nornoids can't even fathom changing a reel handle to a different one and think you have to throw the reel away and buy another one with a bigger handle.  Changing braking profiles with spool swaps and maintaining a list of spools that are compatible in their minds was never on the table.  You're literally going to die if you spend any more time here.  Return to TT.

lmao i am sure there's at least a few who do it. No way could a person use a daiwa, and not spool swap, or at least thought of doing so.

[Flyfish-mt]

Ok, so it’s primarily designed for lighter lines and lures.  Lure weights that would be normally used with spinning tackle….

Can I ask why they would use this technology in the Coastal line?  When I’m fishing inshore, I’m looking (at times) to cast as far as I can and it ain’t with light lines or lures.

[ABU is overpriced]

22 minutes ago, Flyfish-mt said:

Ok, so it’s primarily designed for lighter lines and lures.  Lure weights that would be normally used with spinning tackle….

Can I ask why they would use this technology in the Coastal line?  When I’m fishing inshore, I’m looking (at times) to cast as far as I can and it ain’t with light lines or lures.

Because just like the t-wing, its one of the most marketable "features" they have. In fact, SV spools and t-wing is pretty much all they can market well. Their gears are awesome, but they ain't doing a great job at marketing them to the public.

[bulldog1935]

@Flyfish-mt

If you were fishing the TX coast, that's exactly what you would be casting.  

Our inshore includes 15,000 sq-mi less than 2' deep.  

The difference between fishing 1/4 oz and 1/8 oz is dragging up grass every cast vs catching fish.  

  

The beauty of MagForce-SV, it also lets you fish 1 oz topwaters and 7/8 oz Corky's suspend jerkbaits - and without making a brake adjustment.    

[FryDog62]

11 hours ago, ABU is overpriced said:

Why did you replace a reel instead of the spool?

But yes, SV is not for distance. Casting lighter lures, being much better than everything else for skipping, casting at head wind and have superior control with non aero dynamic lures is what it excels at, but you ain't casting anywhere near as far as some older Daiwa spools like the Type R+ ones, and a bunch of others. Since i usually fish from the bank, and need max distance, i get rid of all my SV spools.

I just traded the SV reels in at ALF for Tatula Elites, got new ones that way. The Elites sure are tough, great casting reels. They even cast a little farther than my Shimano MGL and MGL II reels.

 

Yes, SV is still best in terms of skipping - but lighter lures (1/16-3/16 oz) I use BFS and get far easier casting and better distance. To me, casting light lures is where the SV spool struggled most to get any inertia - it was like casting a potato chip at times.

 

I'm no longer on the SV train like I was 5-10 years ago, but they have their place... 

[bulldog1935]

35 minutes ago, FryDog62 said:

Yes, SV is still best in terms of skipping - but lighter lures (1/16-3/16 oz) I use BFS and get far easier casting and better distance. To me, casting light lures is where the SV spool struggled most to get any inertia - it was like casting a potato chip at times.

SV uses a lower-mass inductor, and Boost uses 2 different spring rates on the inductor ramp.  

Generally, the problem with Daiwa spools is their big weight, and where much lighter aftermarket spools take over.  

 

[casts_by_fly]

3 hours ago, Flyfish-mt said:

Ok, so it’s primarily designed for lighter lines and lures.  Lure weights that would be normally used with spinning tackle….

 

yes and no.  Shallower spools start spinning with less force required.  That can be from lighter lures or softer casts.  Shallow spools also carry less rotational inertia which means they slow down easier on their own if you stop pulling on the line.  The former is why my dad loves his chronarch MGLs.  He casts with a soft sidearm motion, negligible braking, and decent spool tension.  It is what makes them easier for beginners to learn on since beginners usually haven't gotten good at loading the rod yet. The latter is why they are good for skipping baits- when the bait hits on the first skip it looses a bit of momentum and the reel slows down with it.

 

My zillion SV TW doesn't go anywhere near light stuff.  About the lightest thing I throw on that rod/reel is a 1/4 oz buzzbait which is practice is about 1/2 oz once you add the skirt, trailer, and blade to the head weight.  More practically its a 3/8 buzzbait (5/8 oz total bait weight), a 3/8 oz texas rig (5/8-3/4oz TBW), a 110 plopper (7/8 oz TBW), or other 1/2-1 oz type lures.  It can bomb a 110 plopper about as far as I have line on the reel (albeit heavy 17 lb mono).  

[Flyfish-mt]

I've never fished inshore in the great state of Texas but definitely would be up for it!  My saltwater inshore fishing is SW Florida in locations such as Sanibel/Captiva, Naples, etc. in which I do not encounter many weeds from the beach.  I'm usually tossing Mirrodines, Kastmaster spoons, Spooks, Clacker/DOA Shimp rigs, etc w/ my spinning rigs (Stradics and RX6 SB841-3 rods).  I'm looking to build a saltwater travel casting rod (RX6 SB843-3) and also looking to find a matching reel.  

[ABU is overpriced]

1 hour ago, FryDog62 said:

I just traded the SV reels in at ALF for Tatula Elites, got new ones that way. The Elites sure are tough, great casting reels. They even cast a little farther than my Shimano MGL and MGL II reels.

 

Yes, SV is still best in terms of skipping - but lighter lures (1/16-3/16 oz) I use BFS and get far easier casting and better distance. To me, casting light lures is where the SV spool struggled most to get any inertia - it was like casting a potato chip at times.

 

I'm no longer on the SV train like I was 5-10 years ago, but they have their place... 

What line rating were you using with the SV spool when casting light stuff? For me, light is 1/8oz jighead with a 3" Keitech easy shiner. With 10-20lb braid, it cast very easily.

[FryDog62]

32 minutes ago, ABU is overpriced said:

What line rating were you using with the SV spool when casting light stuff? For me, light is 1/8oz jighead with a 3" Keitech easy shiner. With 10-20lb braid, it cast very easily.

8-12 pound fluorocarbon mostly. I tended not to use the SV under 1/4 ounce, except my Steez SV TW when skipping weightless wacky worms (although most 5 inch Senkos weigh 1/4-3/8 oz). 

[PhishLI]

16 hours ago, Flyfish-mt said:

After reading about the Daiwa SV spool concept, does this format hinder casting distance over a Daiwa non-SV spool type?

Yes, but SVs are purpose built for extra control with less user input than MagforceZ or centrifugal brakes. As a byproduct, some distance is sacrificed. Excluding SV Boost found in the Zillion G, I don't often use my standard SVs for bank or wade fishing but I have and will sometimes when throwing lighter baits in heavy winds. While I can manage in those conditions throwing those baits using reels with standard braking profiles, there's no good reason to. SVs are the right tool for those conditions, IMO, especially with plastic mainline.

 

Another area where I find that SVs shine is when casting from a seated position like in a yak or johnboat. Zipping line drive casts to targets with light baits from 70-90 feet is painless. Something to note is that casting mechanics are calibrated by one's eyesight. When you stand and cast your entire body is part of the equation, and if you stand more often when fishing you're calibrated for that. When sitting, half of your body is removed from the equation and the other half is somewhat restricted. As a consequence, I noticed quickly that I often overpowered my casts when seated in order to compensate which led to overruns. This overcompensation is typically solved by going up two clicks or so on the brakes with most standard reels, but with SVs there are just less worries in general, especially with higher arc casts, and with no additional braking force applied. 

 

Whether any of this has value to you is a personal thing. I'm glad a have a few SVs. I'm digging the Alphas 800s I recently acquired. Light plastics and cranks, which can be tricky to deal with using standard casting reels, fly very nicely with little worry of overruns or fluff ups.

[Flyfish-mt]

I can see that the SV spool has it's place.  I think for my requirements, I will stick with the standard type of spool (non-SV).  I bought a couple of the '23/24 Tatula 100 for a couple older rods I was planning on putting back into rotation.  I really wasn't expecting much performance from a $118 reel but I have been pleasantly surprised on how well these reels cast!

[TNBankFishing]

I still feel like the magnetic braking system Daiwa uses is the best in the business. I’ve owned a number of DC reels, and standard centrifugal braking reels with MGL spools and Daiwa just wins. The T wing doesn’t matter much to me, but I’ve replaced all of my Shimano reels with Zillions because for me they are easier to use. If I’ve got money on the line in a tourney I don’t want to deal with a reel getting finicky when I change trailer or baits. 
 

I fish from a kayak or as a co angler, so I switch baits often and need rods to pull double and triple duty. The SV spool, its boost feature, and the ease of external adjustment are winners. I’m not as concerned about dialing in a bait for 2-3 casts after making I change. I pick up the rod and sling the bait.