Yozuri Hybrid Issues

[MediumMouthBass]

I went 100% all in on YZH to replace mono and fluoro.

I have mono on my panfish setups and some braid for fishing around grass but 85% of my reels are spooled up with YZH.

I have barely changed any of the old line thats been on the reels for the past few years, it sits in a hot car most of the year, and gets beaten up by zebra mussels and rocks regularly.

I use the San Diego Jam knot only with it and the line doesnt break even with all the above issues it faces over and over again.

 

The line being weak or having to worry about it breaking is nonexistent, the one day with the line being almost shredded from zebra mussels i still pulled in a 3, 3.25, 3.75 and a 10lber all in a row, and the line was frayed and it still kept going strong.

I have 100% faith in its strength after that.

 

I would suggest either trying a different knot, or maybe reach out to their customer service, since some spools of line from any brand can be bad off the shelf.

And not sure if anyone mentioned this, but are you sure it wasnt a pickerel or pike you set the hook into?

Edited July 28, 2024 by MediumMouthBass

[bishoptf]

11 minutes ago, MediumMouthBass said:

I went 100% all in on YZH to replace mono and fluoro.

I have mono on my panfish setups and some braid for fishing around grass but 85% of my reels are spooled up with YZH.

I have barely changed any of the old line thats been on the reels for the past few years, it sits in a hot car most of the year, and gets beaten up by zebra mussels and rocks regularly.

I use the San Diego Jam knot only with it and the line doesnt break even with all the above issues it faces over and over again.

 

The line being weak or having to worry about it breaking is nonexistent, the one day with the line being almost shredded from zebra mussels i still pulled in a 3, 3.25, 3.75 and a 10lber all in a row, and the line was frayed and it still kept going strong.

I have 100% faith in its strength after that.

 

I would suggest either trying a different knot, or maybe reach out to their customer service, since some spools of line from any brand can be bad off the shelf.

And not sure if anyone mentioned this, but are you sure it wasnt a pickerel or pike you set the hook into?

I am in the midwest, outside of St. Louis area, only largemouth and cats in this lake that I was fishing. I may try to use a different knot but I've not had any issue with that knot for many years been really good to me. From what I can see based on all the replies its just a bad spool or the knot. I will probably circle back to it at some point and try a different knot but for now I am tying on some Invizx that my buddy gave me from some left over spools.

[F14A-B]

I asked earlier what pound test YH you were using, I don’t believe you have stated that thus far, I will tell you plainly if you induce heat into your knot when tying you’re going to break off.. since it’s at your hook it’s likely your knot. The reason I ask what pound test, is that this is problematic in lower test lines, mono is not exempt but fc line hates heat.. 

 

nonetheless, never hurts to try new line… or new rods, new reels 🤣

[bishoptf]

10 minutes ago, alonerankin2 said:

I asked earlier what pound test YH you were using, I don’t believe you have stated that thus far, I will tell you plainly if you induce heat into your knot when tying you’re going to break off.. since it’s at your hook it’s likely your knot. The reason I ask what pound test, is that this is problematic in lower test lines, mono is not exempt but fc line hates heat.. 

 

nonetheless, never hurts to try new line… or new rods, new reels 🤣

I thought I stated it in inenof the posts but it was 12lb line.

[F14A-B]

1 minute ago, bishoptf said:

I thought I stated it in inenof the posts but it was 12lb line.

Sorry I may have missed that..

[bulldog1935]

YZH is soft on the Outside.  

The knots don't slip, but knots do intent the line.  

[PhishLI]

10 hours ago, MediumMouthBass said:

I use the San Diego Jam knot only with it and the line doesnt break even with all the above issues it faces over and over again.

Whether or not it's technically the perfect choice, the SDJ is my default knot for any plastic line of any test/diameter. I've broken off exactly once while using it during the past 7 years only because in frustration I stupidly tried to jerk a solid fish over a log with 10lb Sufix Advance.

[Dwight Hottle]

Consider that your problem is the result of using a co-polymer leader with braid. I have found out from experience that hard hook sets with braid & co-polymer short leaders cause the leader to break often on a hookset at the hook or just above it. I am not talking about the braid to leader knot which is a back to back uni knot for me.  Apparently the co-polymer does not have the shock resistance in short lengths the same length leader of straight mono has. I was using Sufix Advance 20 lb (.018 avg dia) co-polymer as a short leader under 3' long with 50lb braid shinner fishing using a single hook tied with a palomar knot.  After the first break off I figured it was a bad knot but it happened again & then a third time. I switched to Triline Big game in 15lb (.015 avg dia) & didn't have any problems after the switch. Note I have used Sufix Advance as a main line in 14lb, 17lb & 20 lb test lines in Mexico at Lake Baccarac & never had a break off catching bass up to 11.5 lbs. I just never considered using the same line as a short leader with braid would be a problem. After talking to several guides they had also experienced similar break offs using co-polymer lines as leader material with braid. I also never had a problem using Sufix Advance with 10lb braid and long leaders 12 to 20 foot long in 12-15lb test & treble hook baits where the hook set is much lighter in nature. 

[WRB]

We tend to focus on knot strength as the important factor selecting line. There are other factors to consider not a obvious but very important; impact strength and abrasion resistance.

Back in the 90’ Tectan mono a German line was becoming popular and I gave it try. Had good success fish during the day time making long cast catching jig. A friend invited me to partner for a night tournament. The 1st stop I broke off 3 big bass on the hook set using Tectan the problem was making shorter cast at night the line broke due to poor impact strength. I didn’t have any spare line and Joe only had 8 lb P-Line CXX so changed out the 17 lb Tectan to 8 lb CXX and no break offs all night.

Sometimes we learn lessons the hard way. 
Tom

[bishoptf]

1 hour ago, Dwight Hottle said:

Consider that your problem is the result of using a co-polymer leader with braid. I have found out from experience that hard hook sets with braid & co-polymer short leaders cause the leader to break often on a hookset at the hook or just above it. I am not talking about the braid to leader knot which is a back to back uni knot for me.  Apparently the co-polymer does not have the shock resistance in short lengths the same length leader of straight mono has. I was using Sufix Advance 20 lb (.018 avg dia) co-polymer as a short leader under 3' long with 50lb braid shinner fishing using a single hook tied with a palomar knot.  After the first break off I figured it was a bad knot but it happened again & then a third time. I switched to Triline Big game in 15lb (.015 avg dia) & didn't have any problems after the switch. Note I have used Sufix Advance as a main line in 14lb, 17lb & 20 lb test lines in Mexico at Lake Baccarac & never had a break off catching bass up to 11.5 lbs. I just never considered using the same line as a short leader with braid would be a problem. After talking to several guides they had also experienced similar break offs using co-polymer lines as leader material with braid. I also never had a problem using Sufix Advance with 10lb braid and long leaders 12 to 20 foot long in 12-15lb test & treble hook baits where the hook set is much lighter in nature. 

This sounds like it may be similar, although my leaders tend to be longer than shorter usually at least 2 rod lengths or 15-20ft. I am going to try some different line and might just go back to mono for leader material, will probably make no difference where I fish and how I fish and might be better than fluoro or the hybrid. Going to look into learning a new knot also, that way I have my bases covered.

[dodgeguy]

Palomar on hook end. Trash the leader

[WRB]

Tying the San Diego Jam knot is easy if you add weight to a single hook. I use a cloths pin but any weight works to hold the hook down while making the downward wraps. I just hold the double line between my finger tips and swing the weighted hook or lure while wrapping the tag end down about 6 turns. The tag end goes though the open loop near the hook or lure eye then up through the loop by your finger tips, pull the end snag then the main  line to slide the jam knot tight.

Very simple and quick during fishing conditions.

Palomar knot avoid twisting the open loop end when putting the hook through it. I snug the overhand loop before putting the hook though the wet the loop before pulling the tag end tight. You can use the tag end for drop shot weight if applicable.

I use both knots for mono, copoly and FC lines.

Tom

[bishoptf]

18 hours ago, WRB said:

Tying the San Diego Jam knot is easy if you add weight to a single hook. I use a cloths pin but any weight works to hold the hook down while making the downward wraps. I just hold the double line between my finger tips and swing the weighted hook or lure while wrapping the tag end down about 6 turns. The tag end goes though the open loop near the hook or lure eye then up through the loop by your finger tips, pull the end snag then the main  line to slide the jam knot tight.

Very simple and quick during fishing conditions.

Palomar knot avoid twisting the open loop end when putting the hook through it. I snug the overhand loop before putting the hook though the wet the loop before pulling the tag end tight. You can use the tag end for drop shot weight if applicable.

I use both knots for mono, copoly and FC lines.

Tom

Seems like the SDJ is a variation of the pitzen knot with just the difference going through the bottom vs just out the top. I've tried both and the double pitzen that Shawn Grigsby liked - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxX3--DHQYE is easier to tie than the normal since it has fewer wraps. None of them are as easy as tying the fish-n-fool knot, they are easier when I add a weight like you suggested but then thats just something else I have to go find etc. Will keep practicing and trying some out, from all the reading I think I am going to just skip fluoro all together and just go with plain ole mono and with mono my fnf knot should be just fine.

 

[zell_pop1]

I've used Yo Zuri alot and while the memory on #12+ is bad and gets coily, I never had knot problems and I just used regular old clinch and palomar knots. I did have breaks in the spool after over runs which is why I quit using it, but that is common with fluro. Now I use Defier mono lines mostly, they are discontinued but luckily I bought enough to last a few years, after that I might try Yo Zuri again in the #8 and #10 lines.

[Lead Head]

I had knot to hook failures when using yzh as a leader as well. 8, 12, and 15lb all failed on the hookset. My leaders were 5 to 6 feet long. I just decided yzh didn't like my hookset and moved on from it for leader material. Hearing that this can be a problem with other co-poly lines probably just saved me some heartache down the line, thanks @Dwight Hottle

[Bass Rutten]

The heck yall doing? I use 10lb, 12lb, 15lb straight, and 6lb and 10lb as a leaders (about 20ft). Trilene or uni knot exclusively, fg on leaders, pay close attention to my knots, lubricate well, cinch tight, test knot before using. Been rock solid all the way around for me, can't ever remember having an issue since I ditched p-line 5-6 years ago, guess I'm lucky. Dangit just jinxed myself.

[bishoptf]

42 minutes ago, Bass Rutten said:

The heck yall doing? I use 10lb, 12lb, 15lb straight, and 6lb and 10lb as a leaders (about 20ft). Trilene or uni knot exclusively, fg on leaders, pay close attention to my knots, lubricate well, cinch tight, test knot before using. Been rock solid all the way around for me, can't ever remember having an issue since I ditched p-line 5-6 years ago, guess I'm lucky. Dangit just jinxed myself.

Ive never had an issue with my fg knots but i pretty much am all braid with a leader, if i rats nest braid its so much easier to manage vs mono or fluoro imho. I think it may be a combination of knot and the material but i broke off three times on hooksets, same knot ive been using for years with the only difference being the line. I have some Invizx but I am just going to go with straight mono for leader and see how that does, I may just skip fluoro and yzh for leader material.

[Lead Head]

I use sunline sniper for leaders now, the differences between it and invizx are minimal (to me). If you want your leader to sink (I do for bottom contact) you shouldn't have any problems with the invizx.

[Functional]

I use 8, 10 and 12 YZH on a lot of reels and never had an issue.

 

SDJ for any line that isnt braid

Palomar for braid

FG for braid to leader.

 

Typically my leaders are floro so I cant comment on YZH used as a leader.