Yozuri Hybrid Issues

[bishoptf]

I thought I would post this and see if anyone has had issues with Yozuri Hybrid line. I tend to have braid on all my rods and then do about a 20ft leader. I was using Yozuri Top Knot and while I didnt have any issues I wasn't happy when tying my knot which is kind of ironic. I had to be really careful tying or I would end up with indentation where I cinched down my knot. My knot of choice is the fish-n-fool knot and for the most part it has served me well. I decided to try some different line and decided to try YoZuri Hybrid and liked the feel and when tying my knot seemed better and switched out most of my leaders.

 

Last time I went fishing I broke off at the hook three times when setting the hook, I cannot remember the last time that has happened ever. Maybe its the knot or something else but its one of the stronger knots out there so now I am going to try Invizx but was just wondering if it was just maybe some bad line or something else, I like Yozuri products that I have used in the past but so far not going to use it any longer based on my experience.

[garroyo130]

No issues with YZH here and I honestly respool less often than I should. 

 

Have you checked hook eyes? 

[bishoptf]

2 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

No issues with YZH here and I honestly respool less often than I should. 

 

Have you checked hook eyes? 

I looked at that but couldn't see anything, I was fishing with swing heads and the knots looked good. It was just the oddest thing, can't remember when I had it happen like that, set the hook and snap. Tend to make you less confident and since its cheap my buddy had some end spools of invizx that he was going to toss and gave me some to try.

[Mobasser]

I'm getting ready to go out for a couple of hrs now. I'm using  Yo Zuri Hybrid on one rod. I haven't had any bad knots or other problems. Maybe a bad spool,?

[bishoptf]

19 minutes ago, Mobasser said:

I'm getting ready to go out for a couple of hrs now. I'm using  Yo Zuri Hybrid on one rod. I haven't had any bad knots or other problems. Maybe a bad spool,?

Yeah I dunno, never have used it before maybe it doesn't like the knot I use either, I dunno but after the last break off pretty my done with it but I picked it up since most appear to like it, maybe it is/was a bad spool. I was using 12lb line.

[Bass Rutten]

No issues here, been using it for years because of the knot strength. I wouldn't give up on yzh, bad spools happens with lots of line brands.

[TheSwearingAngler]

I use 12 lb as a leader on most moving baits and 8 on finesse. It actually fishes about one rating higher like 14 and 10lb respectively. Never had a problem, I use an improved clench at the lure and a blood knot to join to my braid main line. It’s been great inexpensive leader for me.

[fin]

I've never tried it, but maybe your drag is locked up?

[F14A-B]

I’ve been using it for 20 years.. I always wet my knots and they hold on 99% of hook sets. Are you using a light line hybrid? 
 

If it’s not working for you then I can’t blame you for trying a different line. 
 

 

[WRB]

Yo-Zuri Hybrid 12# line is .013D vs the Top Knot .011D. If you break off Hybrid and not Top Knot there is something seriously wrong with the Fish n Fools knot basically a Uni Knot.

A simple Palomar knot is stronger and more reliable easy knot to tie.

set your drag at 4 lbs more then enough force for MH bass rods.

Tom

 

[Cgrinder]

Just Googled the Fish N Fool knot, and I would not tie that knot with fluorocarbon. Just pass it through the eye once and you have a Uni knot, which is fluoro friendly. 

 

I don't know if that's exactly the issue with the Hybrid, but I would not suggest it with the Invizx.

[BigAngus752]

The only non-braid I use on my baitcasters is Yo-Zuri Hybrid 12lb.  I tie only the Trilene knot and the Palomar.  Excellent line with no knot issues.  I did, however, try some 6lb Hybrid on a spining rod once.  In two outings it broke at the knot six times and I tried four different knots.  Maybe a bad batch?  I have used Hybrid as a leader in a pinch and it was definitely not as consistent as having it on a full spool.  Perhaps because of less stretch in a few feet of it?  I typically use only leader-specific flouro as a leader on braid.  

[spartyon8]

My only yzh issue is that I can't find the smoke color anymore. 

[bishoptf]

Yeah not sure what the issue is, re-tying all my leaders with Invizx and see how that does. Fish-n-fool knot is actually a pretty good all around know, weakest rating is with fluoro carbon but still holding over 100%.

 

https://www.knotsforfishing.com/knot-strength-chart/

 

This just confirms that overall the line is good just either a bad roll or something with my setup, thanks for the replies.

 

 

[WRB]

That is probably the comprehensive list of knot BS ever put together.

Most important factor for line strength is diameter of the line rested and rate of applied force both missing and optimized by Berkley.

If fluorocarbon line was anywhere near 100% knot strength only a few knots would be in use; clinch knot, Palomar knot and blood knot for leaders. FC line knots list is long more then anyone can remember!

Tom

[bishoptf]

18 minutes ago, WRB said:

That is probably the comprehensive list of knot BS ever put together.

Most important factor for line strength is diameter of the line rested and rate of applied force both missing and optimized by Berkley.

If fluorocarbon line was anywhere near 100% knot strength only a few knots would be in use; clinch knot, Palomar knot and blood knot for leaders. FC line knots list is long more then anyone can remember!

Tom

There are plenty of knot strength stuff out there, knot wars was one of the original ones, i like data and I would rather see some data vs just anecdotal evidence. They state the line type and make so at least for me while its just one testing its at least consistent, again its not the only one out there but it does cover the three main line types.

[Team9nine]

23 minutes ago, bishoptf said:

There are plenty of knot strength stuff out there, knot wars was one of the original ones, i like data and I would rather see some data vs just anecdotal evidence. They state the line type and make so at least for me while its just one testing its at least consistent, again its not the only one out there but it does cover the three main line types.

I believe WRB’s point is that that data/results you linked to is incredibly misleading. The Knot Wars data is solid, but this site took that raw knot break strength data and compared it against the ‘rated’ strength of the line. Of course, almost no manufacturer rates their lines breaking strength anywhere near its actual value, so the data becomes worthless. There is no such thing as 100% knot strength, let alone 110, 120, or 130 percent values. Lines don’t get stronger when you knot them. Stick with the actual Knot Wars raw data, which can be found with a little searching, as well as some of the actual brand breaking strength data (also available online), and you’ll be able to make a much better assessment of knots and lines vs. what you linked to.

[Cgrinder]

15 lb Trilene is larger in diameter than 20 lb Sniper. Of course it breaks at higher than "100%"; they're testing 20+ lb line.

[bishoptf]

5 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

I believe WRB’s point is that that data/results you linked to is incredibly misleading. The Knot Wars data is solid, but this site took that raw knot break strength data and compared it against the ‘rated’ strength of the line. Of course, almost no manufacturer rates their lines breaking strength anywhere near its actual value, so the data becomes worthless. There is no such thing as 100% knot strength, let alone 110, 120, or 130 percent values. Lines don’t get stronger when you knot them. Stick with the actual Knot Wars raw data, which can be found with a little searching, as well as some of the actual breaking strength data (also available online), and you’ll be able to make a much better assessment of knots and lines vs. what you linked to.

Understand but i think most are miss interpreting what the data is saying. The chart refers to knot efficiency not line strength so they are not saying that the knots are stronger than the line strength but which knots were stronger vs the other knots. Maybe its not a good way to present the data but I still think the data is valid. 

[Shadow1]

I use McCoys Mean Green for all of my leader material. However, I have a friend that loves Yozuri as leader material. He said he had problems with breaks using a Palomar knot. He uses a double pitzen knot now, and said he never has anymore breaks. 

[bishoptf]

1 minute ago, Shadow1 said:

I use McCoys Mean Green for all of my leader material. However, I have a friend that loves Yozuri as leader material. He said he had problems with breaks using a Palomar knot. He uses a double pitzen knot now, and said he never has anymore breaks. 

Thanks will look it up, i kind of like having one knot that works across the board but will look it up 

[Team9nine]

1 hour ago, bishoptf said:

Understand but i think most are miss interpreting what the data is saying. The chart refers to knot efficiency not line strength so they are not saying that the knots are stronger than the line strength but which knots were stronger vs the other knots. Maybe its not a good way to present the data but I still think the data is valid. 

Agreed (in bold). You can literally take the actual breaking strength in pounds for each knot in each line type, average the breaking strength across all 3 line types, and you’d get the exact same ranking, just as “ave. breaking strength” in pounds instead of “percent efficiency,” whatever that is. That would be a bit more meaningful and relatable IMO. They just tried to get fancy with the data by adding in the rated strength component and creating some fancy category name. But the answers remain the same regardless, so as long as you understand what you’re looking at, that’s all that matters. 

[bishoptf]

Yeah supposedly they are pulling from the knot wars data, when I look at it I jut look from the top and even across the averages, some knots appear to perform better with mono vs fluoro vs braid. I think I am going to try to learn the double pitzen knot, looks pretty simple to tie but have not found any strength testing data. Sunline came up with a knot that they rate the best for fluoro which is the tornado HH knot. They have some data against the normal knots but they did not test the double Pitzen knot - https://sunlineamerica.com/blogs/news/the-best-knot-for-fluorocarbon

 

I'm still going to replace the YZH that I have with Invizx, three breakoffs is enough for me to know to do something different, I could try a different knot but I think something else is going on so at least for right now I'm just going to go with a different line type. I may circle back and give it another shot since I like the cost of it, lol...:)

[papajoe222]

Sounds to me like old line or line that wasn't stored properly.  I purchased a spool of this line that was bad and blame myself because of where I purchased it from.  Wasn't a high volume sales shop and it was likely sitting on the shelf for too long.

[bishoptf]

11 minutes ago, papajoe222 said:

Sounds to me like old line or line that wasn't stored properly.  I purchased a spool of this line that was bad and blame myself because of where I purchased it from.  Wasn't a high volume sales shop and it was likely sitting on the shelf for too long.

Purchased from Academy Sports, about a month ago, not sure how long it had been on the shelf but its a big store with a lot in a major metro-population area so I doubt it had been there that long, hard to say.