HELP - Shimano Curado K making noise!

[Isaac Dang]

I am servicing an old Shimano Curado K, and as I was reassembling it, it started making a soft clicking noise. Not to the point where it makes the reel unusable, but definitely noticeable. The drag and bail operate properly.  (It should be noted that the reel was dropped in water and some parts had to be cleaned of rust.) The noise starts when I put the side plate back on. When the drive shaft is facing downwards, there is no noise. If you flip the reel to where the driveshaft faces upwards, there is a shift of something in the reel and it begins making noise. This is before the bearing, washers, drag dial, or handle are put on the reel. It seems as if adding those on makes the clicking worse.  I'm not missing any parts, I watched multiple tutorials and looked at the user manual to make sure I'm putting it together properly to no avail. Everything is lubed and greased properly.  The reel did not make this sound before. 

[newapti5]

47 minutes ago, Isaac Dang said:

The noise starts when I put the side plate back on. When the drive shaft is facing downwards, there is no noise.

 

Why do you want to flip the reel upside-down, before the drag star and handle, as well as the AR bearing sleeve and main gear inside, are all locked in place?  Try to assemble the whole thing with drive shaft facing upwards, and make sure everything is stacked up on each other with no gaps in-between. Then, you could flip the reel to whichever direction for testing.

[Isaac Dang]

8 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

 

Why do you want to flip the reel upside-down, before the drag star and handle, as well as the AR bearing sleeve and main gear inside, are all locked in place?  Try to assemble the whole thing with drive shaft facing upwards, and make sure everything is stacked up on each other with no gaps in-between. Then, you could flip the reel to whichever direction for testing.

I have tried that, it seems like pressure on the gears and drag washers from above cause the clicking in some way...?

[newapti5]

1 hour ago, Isaac Dang said:

I have tried that, it seems like pressure on the gears and drag washers from above cause the clicking in some way...?

 

When you turn the handle, the moving parts inside that reel are the main gear with drag pads, the pinion gear, and the idle gears for level wind. These are all rotating parts, so if they got into contact with other parts that they shouldn't, they would only make scratching sounds, not clicking sounds. So if you're sure it's a clicking sound, it may not come from the above gears. 

 

A clicking sound could come from bearings -  AR bearing and other bearings. You could remove the spool and see if the sound still exists. If yes, then it may come from the bearings inside the reel. 

[garroyo130]

11 hours ago, Isaac Dang said:

The drag and bail operate properly. 

 

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Video of clicking? Is it clicking when reeling or when turning the reel upside down? How do you notice clicking before handle is on??

 

First thing I would check is to make sure all c-clips are on where they need to go. For the K i believe that means the bearing at the bottom of the main shaft and the level wind bushing. 

 

Second thing would be to make sure the drag stack is seated properly.

 

Last thing would be to make sure that everything related to AR is installed correctly. Check the spring especially since it likes to dance around. 

[Isaac Dang]

4 hours ago, garroyo130 said:

 

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Video of clicking? Is it clicking when reeling or when turning the reel upside down? How do you notice clicking before handle is on??

 

First thing I would check is to make sure all c-clips are on where they need to go. For the K i believe that means the bearing at the bottom of the main shaft and the level wind bushing. 

 

Second thing would be to make sure the drag stack is seated properly.

 

Last thing would be to make sure that everything related to AR is installed correctly. Check the spring especially since it likes to dance around. 

is the AR supposed to come out of the reel? mine seems to be stuck in the side plate. I can't upload a video because of the limited file size. I can tell the clicking is happening by turning the drive shaft with my fingers. the clicking is when i turn the reel on the side (with the shaft facing upwards) and rotate the shaft. adding the bearing, washers, spring and drag make the clicking worse.  and when you say springs are you talking about the two small springs that go on the clutch cam retainer?

[garroyo130]

1 hour ago, Isaac Dang said:

is the AR supposed to come out of the reel? mine seems to be stuck in the side plate. I can't upload a video because of the limited file size. I can tell the clicking is happening by turning the drive shaft with my fingers. the clicking is when i turn the reel on the side (with the shaft facing upwards) and rotate the shaft. adding the bearing, washers, spring and drag make the clicking worse.  and when you say springs are you talking about the two small springs that go on the clutch cam retainer?

 

Yeah, I'm referring to the clutch and its springs. I do not take out the AR bearing itself on mine. 

 

Are you able to fully assemble (handle and everything) and record the sound? 

 

[little giant]

What parts were rusted and how did You remove the rust?? Did you service the level wind??

[Isaac Dang]

On 7/23/2024 at 6:42 PM, little giant said:

What parts were rusted and how did You remove the rust?? Did you service the level wind??

no parts were super rusted.  Some wd40 and a q-tip took care of most of it.  I relubed any parts that i put wd40 on.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Have you adjusted the spool tension to take slack out? Does the reel make noise when held in normal operating position?

[Isaac Dang]

1 hour ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

Have you adjusted the spool tension to take slack out? Does the reel make noise when held in normal operating position?

what do you mean adjust spool tension? do you mean the break dial near the drag?  and yes the reel makes noise in normal operating position.  Once you add the washers back on the reel it starts.  It gets slightly worse when you add the drag star and handle on.

[PhishLI]

5 minutes ago, Isaac Dang said:

what do you mean adjust spool tension? do you mean the break dial near the drag?

Brakes, whether magnetic or centrifugal, are internal under the palming side plate of the reel sometimes controlled by an external dial on that plate and sometimes controlled by manually setting individual friction blocks. The small cap on the handle-side controls spool shaft side-to-side play.

[little giant]

So, if the spool is removed, the click is still there?? Did you clean the AR bearing?? Do NOT lube the AR.

[Isaac Dang]

On 7/25/2024 at 5:14 PM, little giant said:

So, if the spool is removed, the click is still there?? Did you clean the AR bearing?? Do NOT lube the AR.

yes and yes. it's not the level wind.

[little giant]

My guess would be a shim washer in a wrong place, a particle of dirt in a bearing, or a bad bearing.

I'm just guessig.......

[T2DM]

If the click happens exactly at the same spot at every 1 handle turn, then it's possible that the gear set was somehow damaged during cleaning? I installed a brand-new gear set a while back in my Chronarch MGL and after re assembly it's started making a clicking noise every handle turn at the same spot, send it in for inspection and Shimano called me to let me know it was a bad gear set, they've replaced the parts at no charge.

[garroyo130]

Still waiting on video of the sound. I feel like hearing it will help a lot vs wildly guessing.

[Isaac Dang]

8 hours ago, garroyo130 said:

Still waiting on video of the sound. I feel like hearing it will help a lot vs wildly guessing.

i don't know how it says file size is too large

[garroyo130]

3 minutes ago, Isaac Dang said:

i don't know how it says file size is too large

 

Upload to youtube and link is the standard method

[Isaac Dang]

14 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

 

Upload to youtube and link is the standard method

 

[garroyo130]

Yeah that's different from what I was picturing. Im sure someone with more experience will chime in

[Isaac Dang]

On 7/24/2024 at 9:49 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

Have you adjusted the spool tension to take slack out? Does the reel make noise when held in normal operating position?

 

21 hours ago, T2DM said:

If the click happens exactly at the same spot at every 1 handle turn, then it's possible that the gear set was somehow damaged during cleaning? I installed a brand-new gear set a while back in my Chronarch MGL and after re assembly it's started making a clicking noise every handle turn at the same spot, send it in for inspection and Shimano called me to let me know it was a bad gear set, they've replaced the parts at no charge.

 

[ABU is overpriced]

Hold the spool with your thumb and index, and push the spool hard to the right and then left, you should hear a click and it'll spin freely. Had this happen on an aldebaran mgl 30 just last week.

[T2DM]

1 hour ago, Isaac Dang said:

 

 

Sounds like X-ship bearings to me (BNT5858 & BNT4945), that might even include the shaft bearings (also BNT5858 and BNT4194) or the AR-B itself. If it's making the same noise while the spool is removed then you can rule out the spool bearings, after that then it should be one of those bearings mentioned above making all of those noise, I would start by replacing both pinion bearings and go from there.

 

The handle looks like it's spinning freely so the AR-B might be OK.

 

If it's the AR-B, then I think you'll have to send it to Shimano because they have a special tool/press to replace those AR-B or consult/send to @Delaware Valley Tackle.

 

 

 

 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

That’s definitely not bearing noise. More over, fast spinning the handle doesn’t tell you anything.