New Daiwa Zillion. Don’t know what I’m doing…

[FrnkNsteen]

22 minutes ago, Tackleholic said:

Daiwa discourages adjusting the "no spool wobble" on the Zillions.  That may be the source of your problem, but once you've messed with it, too late to go back to the factory setting.

Sure you can... I pull the spool control cap off mine any time I tear mine down to clean it. It's not like it's illegal! 😁

 

You just have to readjust it back so the there is the smallest amount of side to side movement (no tension on the spool). "Zero Adjust" just means that once it is set, you shouldn't need to adjust it.

[bulldog1935]

Those of us who swap spools, it's only safe to first open the Zero Adjust wide before you remove the palm plate.  Installing the new spool, Zero Adjust is the last thing you do - this is because spindle widths vary, and you can bend the spool spindle or damage the palm plate latch without first opening the Zero Adjust.  

Like I said, last thing you do - adjust new spool zero set.  

 

[Bigbox99]

1 hour ago, Tackleholic said:

Daiwa discourages adjusting the "no spool wobble" on the Zillions.  That may be the source of your problem, but once you've messed with it, too late to go back to the factory setting.

It's just a spool tension knob like any other reel.  All reels ship with no spool tension from the factory and the Daiwa reels are no different.  There is no special Daiwa technology or Japanese master swordsman than sets the spool tension with some ancient voodoo magic.  It's just a spool tension knob they made that is harder to turn to discourage you from turning it.  All reels can be set up for "zero adjust" and left alone.  All of mine across many brands are set up this way.  The problem is people can leave that d**n knob alone and keep cranking it down because there is some fishing reel fudd lore that you have to do this still being perpetuated to this day.  

[PhishLI]

13 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

there are 3 different types of backlash that are all different and different causes - start-up overshoot caused by jerk; mid-cast backlash caused by gravity and wind; end-of-cast overrun caused by dumb. 

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[bulldog1935]

As I've said before, tournament distance casters do this intentionally - they load their spools at home with the amount of line for the day's distance target plus a little extra for luck, and they let the last of their spool  backlash at end of cast, to get the last competitive inch out of their single and only cast with that spool.  

Anybody who lets it happen and wants to fish or cast a second time made a dumb move by not using their thumb to stop the spool, somehow thinking extra inches of cast distance might be be worth risking backlash.  

What he said when he's not quoted out of context with emphasis added:  

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Keep your thumb in constant contact with the spool.  

Make short casts and work on accuracy.  

You are required to stop the spool at end of cast, and always will be. 

Learn how to lift your thumb and rely on the brakes at mid cast, and your thumb should again be adjusting the final accuracy in the cast by feathering and stopping the spool on the fall.  

Eliminate all jerk from your wrist - it was rewarded with distance on Zebco - on baitcast, jerk is only backlash.  

 

[Boomstick]

On 6/8/2024 at 8:21 PM, bgaviator said:

I’ve seen videos and read things to where it shouldn’t even make a clicking sound with the side-to-side movement and others that say it should make just a slight clicking sound.

If you loosen it until it just begins to click and leave it or then tighten it so it doesn't click it's pretty much the same function, it's only a hair adjustment of the dial and either will work.

[txchaser]

One thing that helped me a bunch was watching older (like 80) guys cast. See how hard they -don't- work. Replicate that on the water.

And particularly with the daiwas, whippy casts end in tears. Smooth accelleration and follow through pays off a lot. One of the casting habits I see with people coming from a spincaster is bringing the rod to a dead stop vs following through... don't do that - follow the stroke all the way through till the rod is pointing in the direction of your target.