Fluorocarbon and braid knot question.

[Mike L]

1 hour ago, FishTank said:

 

I was skeptical about using this knot on braid but so far, no break offs or issues.  I have used it on #0.06 PE line up to 60lb Smackdown. Wetting the line helps a lot.

I never tied it on braid either as the Palomar and Snell are both proven for me, but I only use braid for 2 1/2 presentations 

 

Slippage would be the only concern especially using those slick coated lines but apparently you don’t have that problem. 
 

If it ain’t broke…..

 

 

 

Mike

 

 

[FishTank]

38 minutes ago, Mike L said:

I never tied it on braid either as the Palomar and Snell are both proven for me, but I only use braid for 2 1/2 presentations 

 

Slippage would be the only concern especially using those slick coated lines but apparently you don’t have that problem. 
 

If it ain’t broke…..

 

 

 

Mike

 

 

 

Oddly, it's the slicker 8 carrier lines that have worked out for me, with the exception of Varivas Super Trout Advance.  It gave me all sorts of knot issues, especially slippage. I mainly use a variety of YGK lines now.

[Fishingmickey]

3 hours ago, fishballer06 said:

I was a long time Trilene knot user until I started using FC. From my experience, I was burning line whenever I would cinch the knot down. That's when I learned the San Diego Jam knot and my life changed forever. Learn it. You will love it. 

I do need to learn the SDJ.

FM

[Jig Man]

The Pitzen is one step less than the SDJ and just as strong.

[PaulVE64]

11 hours ago, LrgmouthShad said:

If the line doesn’t twist or cross itself anywhere and snugged down by pulling tag end first and then mainline, I don’t know where your issues are coming from. It’s been a super strong fluoro knot for me. 

If you felt cursed after using a product, any product really. But if you felt it was somehow cursed for you could you keep using it.

I blame no one but myself but I swore off both fluoro and palomar knots 5 or 6 years ago. 

I've only recently retried fluoro and two weeks of it was enough for me. 

Mono rules 

[MyKeyBe]

I use the trilene knot for all line to lure connections. Mono/copolymer gets 5-6 wraps, fluorocarbon gets 6-7 wraps, braid gets 8-9 wraps. Works fine for me.

[A-Jay]

My braid to anything knot has been a uni to uni knot for a while now.

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night slows that deal down for me.

A-Jay

[JJP]

Palomar for braid

improved clinch for everything else 

[MickD]

A-Jay has the easiest, most reliable braid to FC knot, the double uni.  However, with the size 4 guides I use on my rods and 15 braid/15FC, it can get pretty big and doesn't go through the guides as cleanly as I like. So I use the improved Alberto, tied as the knot guides say but with the tag end tied with a tightly pulled half hitch against the knot before trimming.  Very small, very strong, relatively easy to tie.

[CDMTJager]

20 hours ago, PaulVE64 said:

If you felt cursed after using a product, any product really. But if you felt it was somehow cursed for you could you keep using it.

I blame no one but myself but I swore off both fluoro and palomar knots 5 or 6 years ago. 

I've only recently retried fluoro and two weeks of it was enough for me. 

Mono rules 

It will only cost $10 to try a spool of Yo-Zuri Copolymer line. I was a diehard fan of Trilene XL and XT for over 30 years used absolutely nothing else. Then I tried Yo-Zuri Copolymer. Been using Yo-Zuri Copol for 5 or 6 seasons on both spinning and casting reels. I wouldn't go back to Trilene even if it were free.

What sold me forever on Yo-Zuri Copolymer was 5 years ago my best friend and I were creek fishing during our annual salmon run. The snags are so bad in these small creeks and the salmon are so big we call it combat fishing. I was using 8lb Yo-Zuri copolymer he was using 8lb Trilene XT. Over the three days we fished together he broke off at least 3x more than I did and our hook up and catch ratios were the same. We both used only Palomar knots single hooks and Trilene knots for spinners. Now if my line breaks it is because I failed to closely monitor my line for developing week spots. Truly rare is when I have a knot break with Yo-Zuri copolymer and 90% it was likely due to me tying the knot incorrectly.

Just a friendly suggestion.

[PaulVE64]

I've not tried copoly.

[Zcoker]

For high confidence, I'd recommend using a basic mono leader, something along the lines as Berkley Big Game. The possibility of knot failure always lurks with floro, which has reared it's ugly head a number of times with me, not only with knots breaking but on the actual spool itself (if using all floro). It's just prone and vulnerable to failure if not tied correctly. On the spool it gets kinked and breaks on the cast. Both not good. Up to you to decide. 

[CDMTJager]

1 hour ago, Zcoker said:

For high confidence, I'd recommend using a basic mono leader, something along the lines as Berkley Big Game. The possibility of knot failure always lurks with floro, which has reared it's ugly head a number of times with me, not only with knots breaking but on the actual spool itself (if using all floro). It's just prone and vulnerable to failure if not tied correctly. On the spool it gets kinked and breaks on the cast. Both not good. Up to you to decide. 

I do not use 100% fluorocarbon for any application as of yet. I have been using Yo-Zuri Copolymer for 5 or 6 seasons now at least 100% the last four and no longer use mono at all. Yo-Zuri Copol is advertised as being neutrally buoyant as it neither sinks or floats. I have found it to be much more resistant to abrasion than the only mono I used Trilene XL or XT  and its breaking strength is at least 2lbs greater than the advertised for any given test rating. I have found it's knot strength to be exceptionally good as well. Never had any issues with line memory any worse than Trilene XT.

I have been and remain 100% satisfied with Yo-Zuri copolymer and line or knot failures are very very rare and 90% I know were because I saw the line had become damaged somehow and I failed to retie and on the very rare occasion I have a knot fail vast majority of the time it was a knot I suspected was subpar and I fished with it anyways and paid the price for being impatient or lazy.

 

Until I come across a superior mono or copolymer and I am always open to anything clearly better I will stay with Yo-Zuri Copolymer as it has served me extremely well and its $10 for 600yds of 8-12lb and $12 for 600yrds of 15lb so I can afford to respool as often as needed talking $2.50-$3.50 per respool.

[lynxcat]

I connect FC and braid using a modified Alberto or Albright knot. I have seen if called both. 
 

I wrap the line 9 times and then I bring the tag in through the loop 5x. The basic knit says to do this 1x but I found that I had occasional slippage and breaks. I then wet the knot and ONLY pull the tag end to tighten. This avoids burning the FC and…if it does burn at all…it’s part of the tag that it going to be snipped away. 
 

I use a palomar for all knots tied to baits. If I go straight braid then I sometimes go double palomar, especially if fishing frogs.