RT4 vs RT5 in bps rods

[CrashVector]

I've seen a lot of threads here regarding what is the difference, so I decided to contact BPS customer service asking them 1. The modulus/ton rating of RT4 and RT5 and 2. Any other differences besides and modulus differences.

 

I'll update this with any further replies.

 

Here is the reply I got, copied and pasted.

 

 

Thank you for writing to us today!

 

Sorry for the delay in answering you, I have been digging through rod documents to find info on graphite and modulus, this is what I found so far.  From this info, you can deduct the Signature rods have a higher modulus as they are lighter.  

 

The RT4 and RT5 are ratings used by Bass Pro to distinguish different rod blanks.  I will follow up with you regarding the ton rating as I could not find the info today, but I have sent an email to the Merchant in charge of rods.  Tuesday will be the earliest I will be able to email you again.

 

"Graphite is rated by "Modulus of Elasticity” or resistance to bending and refers to the relationship between stress and strain. It usually defines the stiffness to weight ratio of the fibers used to construct the rod blank. Generally speaking, the higher the Modulus of the fiber used to make the blank, the lighter the resulting blank can be for any given stiffness. Many rod manufacturers would have you believe the higher the modulus of the fiber, the better the rod. Not necessarily. The higher the modulus rod, the easier it is to break and the less abuse or strain it can take. Graphite itself is very strong and the increasingly high modulus of top end graphite enables rod blanks to become lighter and more sensitive due to the ability to make blanks with thinner walls. Of course, the downside to this is they are much more susceptible to angler abuse. The thin walls just cannot stand up to rough handling, and being banged around in the boat, truck, etc. The type of fishing that you do, and the way that you treat your equipment should determine your rod choice."

 

Bass Pro Shops and Cabela's Customer Service

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

That response is a cut and paste from an online article. That doesn’t make it inaccurate, just not specific to their rods. Modulus is misunderstood and over emphasized by marketers and consumers alike. There’s much more that goes into a quality rod. Any modulus info that may have given you means little in evaluating the rods potential performance. 

[CrashVector]

2 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

That response is a cut and paste from an online article. That doesn’t make it inaccurate, just not specific to their rods. Modulus is misunderstood and over emphasized by marketers and consumers alike. There’s much more that goes into a quality rod. Any modulus info that may have given you means little in evaluating the rods potential performance. 

 

I mostly agree, and yeah, he copied and pasted it lol

 

Graphite modulus is in the top three if not two factors in the ability to predict a rod blank's sensitivity.  It's all the stuff that happens after the blank is created that ruins or preserves that potential..guides, finishes, etc.

[rgasr63]

A lot of times it is not the graphite but the resin formula that makes the difference in one rod or another. I don't get that specific about a fishing rod. I just prefer to find a rod that feels good to me. It matters more to me for someone to tell me how the rod worked or didn't work for them. The great thing about BPS is that if you buy it and don't like it you can take it back. BPS has always been good to me. Academy is supposed to be good like that also and maybe you might have some other place that is like that where you live also. 

[Bankbeater]

Their high end rods are pretty good for bottom contact baits, but the lower end rods I only use for moving baits like crankbaits, and spinnerbaits. 

[CrashVector]

4 hours ago, Bankbeater said:

Their high end rods are pretty good for bottom contact baits, but the lower end rods I only use for moving baits like crankbaits, and spinnerbaits. 

 

That's my plan for the three rods I bought.

 

Carbonlite frog rod= frogs and heavy jigs/punching rigs

 

Carbonlite mh/XF = 3/16oz Texas rigs

 

Jm signature mh/XF = 3/16 - 1/8oz general finesse presentations.

 

I've had the CarbonLite technique rod the longest, and I can vouch for the sensitivity despite being a frogging rod....not to the degree of say my Fantasista X or veritas TE rods, but it was more sensitive than I expected it to be, which was a nice surprise.

[FishTank]

Any time the subject comes up, I cringe. 

 

This one is an oldie but a goodie. 

 

https://www.rodbuilding.org/read.php?2,156787

[CrashVector]

4 hours ago, FishTank said:

Any time the subject comes up, I cringe. 

 

This one is an oldie but a goodie. 

 

https://www.rodbuilding.org/read.php?2,156787

 

Ive read it.  While it does contain some good info, to suggest that high modulus graphite isn't the best predictor of a rod's potential is a tad disingenuous.

 

To say a rod made of 24T graphite can potentially be as sensitive and light as a 40T graphite rod, and that "other factors" can make up the difference...is downright false.

[FishTank]

48 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

 

Ive read it.  While it does contain some good info, to suggest that high modulus graphite isn't the best predictor of a rod's potential is a tad disingenuous.

 

To say a rod made of 24T graphite can potentially be as sensitive and light as a 40T graphite rod, and that "other factors" can make up the difference...is downright false.

 

The Megabass Evoluzion comes to mind. Carbon and  titanium mix. There are others.

 

It's just marketing. Also, I will trust what a rod builder says.

 

[CrashVector]

2 hours ago, FishTank said:

 

The Megabass Evoluzion comes to mind. Carbon and  titanium mix. There are others.

 

It's just marketing. Also, I will trust what a rod builder says.

 

 

I do too for the most part.  How do you like the Evo?

[FishTank]

1 hour ago, CrashVector said:

 

I do too for the most part.  How do you like the Evo?

 

It's pretty amazing. I have an older version. It's the MB 30th Anniversary Edition of the Super Diablo II. I have it paired with a Daiwa Zillion SV. I can pretty much fish anything on it but it's so sensitive that it makes cranks and jerk baits feel off. Jigs, Texas Rigged plastic, topwater, spinnerbaits, and paddle tail swimbaits are great. It's the one rod that I baby more than anything else but it has brought in some nice fish. 

 

 

 

[CrashVector]

1 hour ago, FishTank said:

 

It's pretty amazing. I have an older version. It's the MB 30th Anniversary Edition of the Super Diablo II. I have it paired with a Daiwa Zillion SV. I can pretty much fish anything on it but it's so sensitive that it makes cranks and jerk baits feel off. Jigs, Texas Rigged plastic, topwater, spinnerbaits, and paddle tail swimbaits are great. It's the one rod that I baby more than anything else but it has brought in some nice fish. 

 

 

 

Thats a sexy fishing pole

[Bigbox99]

I don't put any faith into the made up gibberish on the outside of rods.  I prefer to rely on the consensus of others to know if a rod is sensitive or how sensitive amongst its peers.  

[CrashVector]

7 hours ago, Bigbox99 said:

I don't put any faith into the made up gibberish on the outside of rods.  I prefer to rely on the consensus of others to know if a rod is sensitive or how sensitive amongst its peers.  

 

Best rod I own as far as sensitivity goes is an Abu Garcia Fantasista X.  7', MH/XF.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

A lot of blanks contain more than one modulus of carbon fiber and they can be and often are, marketed as being a super high modulus blank when only a fraction of the material is in fact that high modulus. Mandrels, scrim, resins, processes all affect the quality of a blank. Design and components absolutely have an affect on the finished rod. I’ve seen it first hand more than once. Obviously a Berkeley cherry wood and St Croix LTB are using vastly different materials and the higher modulus one is obvious. No reasonable person would argue that point.  But if trusted brand x claims 40million modulus and unknown brand y claims 48 or even 54 there’s no guarantee they’re better or even as good. Could they be? Sure. Depending on the variables mentioned. It just doesn’t mean nearly as much as some would have you believe.