cajun red line

[buckthefisherman]

does anyone use the cajun red line?  does the red color really make it almost "invisible"?  

buck

[RottManK9]

I use it and love it.  Dunno about being "invisable", I'm not in the water!  LOL ;D

I find it to be VARY strong and it holds a knot like nobodys buisness when you snag and can't get it unhooked!

[fishbear]

I use it, not sure it makes a difference.  Chart says it has to be 4-6 ft down before it disappears.... well what if you are fishing in 2ft of water????  Make sure you get the limp casting one for a spinning reel or you will be disappointed.  The standard Cajun line is just to stiff for spinning reels.  It does hold up though.. it does not seem to nick up to bad even fishing around rip rap rock...  However, is it better than any other mono line???   I do not think so, but the red makes it easier to see above the water line for me anyway.

[buckthefisherman]

thanx im sitting here ordering xmas gifts online and i got my answer in about a minute!

[Guest avid]

I think the manufacturers of red line which now includes power pro are pretty deceptive in their advertising.  They make it sound like because the color red is the first color filtered out by water, that the object it is associated with becomes invisible.  this is absolute rubbish.  The color red is filtered out but is replaced by a nondescript gray tone.  

the manufacturers really want it both ways when it comes to red.  

1.  It's good for line because it makes it invisible

2.  It's good for hooks because the red color triggers strikes.

Sorry guys but how does one statement not rule out the other?

I guess they don't really care so long as it sells.

[JT Bagwell]

Sorry guys but how does one statement not rule out the other?

Fishing line like Cajun's Red Line is translucent. Hooks like Daiichi's Bleeding

Bait hooks are not translucent. When an object is translucent light

can pass through it causing it to be less visible. An object that is not,

will refract the same light and cause it to be visible.

JT Bagwell

[MALTESE FALCON]

PERFECT EXPLANATION JT!!!

I USED THE CAJUN RED WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT AND I HAD NOTHING BUT BAD LUCK. THE LINE WAS ANYTHING BUT ABRASION RESISTANT.

FALCON

[JT Bagwell]

PERFECT EXPLANATION JT!!!

I USED THE CAJUN RED WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT AND I HAD NOTHING BUT BAD LUCK. THE LINE WAS ANYTHING BUT ABRASION RESISTANT.

FALCON

Thank You

I started using Cajun 2 seasons ago and I have not had any trouble. They may have

changed the line since you used it because I can't recall a single time when I got

broke off or anything.

JT Bagwell

[Fatman1267MM]

I never had any problem with abrasion resistance, my problem was with the ridiculous memory that the line would have after just one use.  I tried to stretch it also, but nothing seemed to help.

[MALTESE FALCON]

IT WAS THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. I'M SURE IT HAS BEEN IMPROVED.

I FORGOT TO MENTION HOW BAD THE MEMORY WAS.

FALCON

[RoLo]

Fishing line like Cajun's Red Line is translucent. Hooks like Daiichi's Bleeding

Bait hooks are not translucent. When an object is translucent light

can pass through it causing it to be less visible. An object that is not,

will refract the same light and cause it to be visible.

Translucent objects are less visible than opaque objects, "regardless" of their color and regardless of any color change.

Objects that start out translucent remain translucent, and objects that begin opaque remain opaque, color has no bearing

The color "red" becomes nondescript gray as the light source is reduced due to water depth, water clarity or sky overcast.

The color "red" becomes nondescript gray whether the object is transparent, translucent or opaque.

With cajun red line you begin with a translucent red line and end up with a translucent colorless line.

Although the red tint may no longer be visible, the line itself is no less visible.

If you began with a translucent colorless line, you'll achieve the state without having to wait for the red tint to disappear :

Roger

[dodgeguy]

I never had any problem with abrasion resistance, my problem was with the ridiculous memory that the line would have after just one use. I tried to stretch it also, but nothing seemed to help.

you must have used red lightning.red cast is extremely limp.it's the best mono line imho!!!according to diving studies i've read it will become almost impossible to see in all but the clearest water.this is due to the fact that the deeper you go the less light penetration you get.this causes the gray to blend in with the surroundings. next to flouro it is the least visible line.for those who hate flouro it is a great alternative.

[earthworm77]

Avid, I'm with you on this. Red line is bunk! If you want something to turn clear, how about fishing with clear line first?? Makes sense right! If you remember when this line was first advertised it was touted as the line that acts like a lure.......I think they were talking up it blood like color and not the fact that red filters or dampens out as light decreases. I fish in clear water. This line will be seen as red even in 10 to 12 feet of water. That would hurt more than help.

[Gar-balls]

I dont understand something about dis cajun red line.  It is supposed to disappear under the water.  It seems that they claim the red light is filterd out or somthing like that.  If this is true, why do I and probably a whole lot a other bass fisherman spend money on red hooks?  These red hooks are supposed to attract the bite.  And what about the red metal flake in my soft plastics that i love?  Someone, help make since of this.

[dodgeguy]

once again.red hooks turn grey underwater unless in shallow water.red lures turn grey in deep water.red hooks are only red in shallow water..the line is translucent so it greys out quicker than a red hook.this makes it blend into the surrounding area not dissapear.it's like a guy wearing camo.he's still there but you can't see him because the camo makes him blend in.he hasn't dissapeared literally.

[Bud]

  And what about the red metal flake in my soft plastics that i love?  Someone, help make since of this.    

good point it cannot be both ways

my personal opinion the red thing is a bunch of bull

[dodgeguy]

http://library.thinkquest.org/28170/35.html

Visibility under water depends on the amount of light reaching the particular depth. Illumination itself depends on the thickness of the layer, on the reflection and scatter of light rays in the water medium. 18% of them reach a depth of 18m and some 1% reach as deep as 100m. Besides this fact, a part of the coming from the sun is reflected by the surface of the water. The amount of reflected light depends on the angle between the rays and the surface of the water, also, on the quantity of air bubbles in the surface layer that have been formed by the motion of the water.

The most important reason for the low visibility under water is the weakening of the refraction capability of human eyes. In the open air, it is sufficient because the refraction quotient of light is 1 and hat of the human optical system is 1.38. Water has a refraction quotient of 1.33, that is, close to that of the eyes. In this case, light is only slightly refracted and the image is formed far beyond the retina, corresponding to long-sightedness of 20 diopters. The function of the mask is to provide normal conditions for underwater visibility by introducing a layer of air with a quotient of 1. Contact lenses can be used instead of a mask. They must have, however, a refraction quotient greater than 1.4 to ensure normal vision under water.

To function effectively under water, divers must understand the changes that occur in their visual perception under water. Many of these changes are caused simply by the fact that light, the stimulus for vision, travels through water rather than air; consequently it is refracted, absorbed, and scattered differently than in air. Refraction, absorption, and scatter all follow physical laws and their effects on light can be predicted; this changed physical stimulus can in turn have pronounced effects on our perception of the underwater world.

Refraction

In refraction, the light rays are bent as they pass from one medium to another of different density. In diving, the refraction occurs at the interface between the air in the diver's mask and the water. The refracted image of an underwater object is magnified, appears larger than the real image, and seems to be positioned at a point three-fourths of the actual distance between the object and the diver's faceplate.

This displacement of the optical image might be expected to cause objects to appear closer to the diver than they actually are and, under some conditions, objects do indeed appear to be located at a point three- fourths of their actual distance from the diver. This distortion interferes with hand-eye coordination and accounts for the difficulty often experienced by novice divers attempting to grasp objects under water. At greater distances, however, this phenomenon may reverse itself, with distant objects appearing farther away than they actually are. The clarity of the water has a profound influence on judgments of depth: the more turbid the water, the shorter the distance at which the reversal from underestimation to overestimation occurs. For example, in highly turbid water, the distance of objects at 3 or 4 feet (0.9 or 1.2 m) may be overestimated; in moderately turbid water, the change might occur at 20 to 25 feet (6.1 to 7.6 m); and in very clear water, objects as far away as 50 to 75 feet (15.2 to 22.9 m) might be underestimated.

It is important for the diver to realize that judgments of depth and distance are probably inaccurate. As a rough rule of thumb, the closer the object, the more likely it will appear too close, and the more turbid the water, the greater the tendency to see it as too far away. Training to overcome inaccurate distance judgments can be effective, but it is important that it be carried out in water similar to that of the proposed dive or in a variety of different types of water. In addition, training must be repeated periodically to be effective.

Changes in the optical image result in a number of other distortions in visual perception. Mistakes in estimates of size and shape occur. In general, objects under water appear to be larger by about 33 percent than they actually are. This often is a cause of disappointment to sport divers, who find, after bringing catches to the surface, that they are smaller than they appeared under water. Since refraction effects are greater for objects off to the side of the field of view, distortion in the perceived shape of objects is frequent. Similarly, the perception of speed can be influenced by these distortions; if an object appears to cross the field of view, its speed will be increased because of the greater apparent distance it travels.

These errors in visual perception and misinterpretations of size, distance, shape, and speed caused by refraction can be overcome, to some extent, with experience and training. In general, experienced divers make fewer errors in judging the underwater world than do novice divers. However, almost all divers are influenced to some extent by the optical image, and attempts to train them to respond more accurately have met with some, but not complete, success.

Although the refraction that occurs between the water and the air in the diver's face mask produces these undesirable effects, air itself is essential for vision. For example, if the face mask is lost, the diver's eyes are immersed in water, which has about the same refrac- tive index as the eyes. Consequently, no normal focus- ing of light occurs and the diver's vision is impaired immensely. The major deterioration is in visual acuity; other visual functions such as the perception of size and distance are not degraded as long as the object can be seen. The loss of acuity, however, is dramatic, and acuity may fall to a level that would be classified as legally blind (generally 20/200) on the surface. While myopes (near-sighted individuals) do not suffer quite as much loss in acuity if their face masks are lost as individuals with 20/20 vision do, the average acuities of the two groups, myopes and normals, were found to be 20/2372 and 20/4396, respectively, in one study of underwater acuity without a mask.

Scatter

Scatter occurs when individual photons of light are deflected or diverted when they encounter suspended particles in the water. Although scattering also occurs in air, it is of much greater concern under water because light is diffused and scattered by the water molecules themselves, by all kinds of particulate matter held in suspension in the water, and by transparent biological organisms. Normally, scatter interferes with vision and underwater photography because it reduces the contrast between the object and its background. This loss of contrast is the major reason why vision is so much more restricted in water than in air (Duntley 1963, Jerlov 1976); it also accounts for the fact that even large objects can be invisible at short viewing distances. In addition, acuity or perception of small details is generally much poorer in water than in air, despite the fact that the optical image of an object under water is magnified by refraction (Baddeley 1968). The deterioration increases greatly with the distance the light travels through the water, largely because the image-forming light is further interfered with as it passes through the nearly transparent bodies of the biomass, which is composed of organisms ranging from bacteria to jellyfish.

Absorption

Light is absorbed as it passes through the water, and much of it is lost in the process. In addition, the spectral components of light, the wavelengths that give rise to our perception of color, are differentially absorbed. Transmission of light through air does not appreciably change its spectral composition, but transmitting light through water, even through the clearest water, does, and this can change the resulting color appearance beyond recognition. In clearest water, long wavelength or red light is lost first, being absorbed at relatively shallow depths. Orange is filtered out next, followed by yellow, green, and then blue. Other waters, particularly coastal waters, contain silt, decomposing plant and animal material, and plankton and a variety of possible pollutants, which add their specific absorptions to that of the water. Plankton, for example, absorb violets and blues, the colors transmitted best by clear water. The amount of material suspended in some harbor water is frequently sufficient to alter the transmission curve completely; not only is very little light transmitted, but the long wavelengths may be transmitted better than the short, a complete reversal of the situation in clear water.

Changes occur too in the appearance of colors under water. For example, red objects frequently appear black under water.

[Fatman1267MM]

you must have used red lightning.red cast is extremely limp.it's the best mono line imho!!!according to diving studies i've read it will become almost impossible to see in all but the clearest water.this is due to the fact that the deeper you go the less light penetration you get.this causes the gray to blend in with the surroundings. next to flouro it is the least visible line.for those who hate flouro it is a great alternative.

I checked the spool and it was Redcast. As far I'm concerned it is only good for backing, which means it is junk.