Zaldain and Electronic costs for elites

[TnRiver46]

2 hours ago, Shadow1 said:

I may or may not be in the minority here, but I thought fishing was supposed to be a skill using knowledge and techniques honed over time to figure out the fish and conditions.  Not some carnival game where you throw a lure to a target you see on a screen.  Let's run a real tournament with the only electronics being a depth finder.  We'll see who the real fisherman are.  

Wheeler won a forest wood cup before any of this stuff was around, some people just catch fish with or without it. Ott defoe is the same. Jordan Lee got a top 10 with the most basic setup of anyone not named Jon cox , who is always in AOY contention without a depth finder 

 

Fujita was a 4 time AOY champ in Japan before FFS was invented 

 

 

[Choporoz]

1 hour ago, Team9nine said:

It will all be fine in the end. Bassmaster has an advisory board studying this subject all year, and they’ll report their findings and recommendations at the end of the season

 

 😉 wink, wink, nod, nod

I predict they limit number of transducers to 2 maybe 3.  The screen insanity will likely subside naturally.

2 hours ago, Shadow1 said:

I may or may not be in the minority here, but I thought fishing was supposed to be a skill using knowledge and techniques honed over time to figure out the fish and conditions.  Not some carnival game where you throw a lure to a target you see on a screen.  Let's run a real tournament with the only electronics being a depth finder.  We'll see who the real fisherman are.  

Welcome to BR, Randy. jk

2 hours ago, Craig P said:

Graphs are now what rods are, no one wants to switch a bait so they have 30 rods on their boat.  They don't want to have to press a button either so they just look at another screen.  I would wager that a majority of these professionals do not know how to use their graphs.  They may know how to read a screen but they do not know how to navigate to the other relevant screens or settings to do exactly what the next screen over is showing.

 

Marketing however is HUGE! and these electronic companies are loving this.

 

Not the majority by any stretch... clearly a few veterans of the highest ranks are being lapped in the tech aspects.  But most recognized long before this season that in-depth knowledge of cutting edge sonar is critical to their success. 

[Catt]

@casts_by_fly 👍

 

I'm 73 & started computers with MS-DOS & a 💾 . For the last 10-12 years I've ran our church's sound booth with high tech audio, video, computers, large screen projectors. 

 

Yeah I'm a little tech savvy 😉

[JediAmoeba]

Imagine if this technology was available 35-40 years ago? I know my dad and grandfather would have filled many a bucket with fish. 

 

For me the biggest worry in this technology is once it is affordable and the bucket brigade acquires it - there will be no end with filling buckets using live bait. Bass fishermen are a very small concern since they release most of their catches and fish adapt to artificials.

[Texas Flood]

I wish more people used FFS at the lake I go to. We've been stunted with 12"-14" LMB and the board committee cant figure out what to do.

[casts_by_fly]

23 minutes ago, Catt said:

@casts_by_fly 👍

 

I'm 73 & started computers with MS-DOS & a 💾 . For the last 10-12 years I've ran our church's sound booth with high tech audio, video, computers, large screen projectors. 

 

Yeah I'm a little tech savvy 😉

 

I too started on MS-DOS and floppy discs.  Technically it was the 5.25" actual floppy disc and not the 3.5" 'hard disc' floppy disc.  I had a TRS-80 in my bedroom growing up, both the one with the monitor /disc/keyboard/built in and the one where those were separate and you connected them with serial cables.

 

You're savy because you're interested in it.  You want to do a 'thing' with it.  In your case its church.  For some it might be fishing.  For others it might be programming or 3D printing parts.  If you're interested and you put in the time you can be quite good with it.  Most people don't want to put in the work/time to be good at it (for lots of things!).  The advantage of those who have grown up on the technology is that they have an innate baseline to start from.

21 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said:

Imagine if this technology was available 35-40 years ago? I know my dad and grandfather would have filled many a bucket with fish. 

 

For me the biggest worry in this technology is once it is affordable and the bucket brigade acquires it - there will be no end with filling buckets using live bait. Bass fishermen are a very small concern since they release most of their catches and fish adapt to artificials.

 

You're not wrong about this.  if I had a baitshop nearby I would do this a couple times a year with perch.  They are easy to find on FFS and I can watch them follow artificials.  I've never thought about it for bass, but a 3" shiner on a ballhead jighead would be eaten immediately.

[gim]

2 hours ago, Team9nine said:

It will all be fine in the end. Bassmaster has an advisory board studying this subject all year, and they’ll report their findings and recommendations at the end of the season

 

 😉 wink, wink, nod, nod

 

Every time this is brought up, Kyoyo Fujita says "oh sh**" to himself in japanese.

31 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said:

For me the biggest worry in this technology is once it is affordable and the bucket brigade acquires it - there will be no end with filling buckets

That's exactly what is happening up here during the winter.  Ice anglers are decimating panfish populations with live sonar through the ice.  In response, the state of MN reduced sunfish bag limits on almost 100 lakes from 20 to 5 daily.  At least with bass anglers, most of them are released.  No such thing with ice anglers targeting panfish.  They are all meat hunters.

 

There will be more of this coming.

[JediAmoeba]

51 minutes ago, gimruis said:

 

Every time this is brought up, Kyoyo Fujita says "oh sh**" to himself in japanese.

That's exactly what is happening up here during the winter.  Ice anglers are decimating panfish populations with live sonar through the ice.  In response, the state of MN reduced sunfish bag limits on almost 100 lakes from 20 to 5 daily.  At least with bass anglers, most of them are released.  No such thing with ice anglers targeting panfish.  They are all meat hunters.

 

There will be more of this coming.

I love ice fishing- when I was showing the technology to my dad, who doesn't ever fish for fun,  his eyes lit up and he said, "imagine how many Perch and Crappie we could catch". When I was a kid we kept everything if it was legal.

[Tennessee Boy]

I’m 61 years old.  If I was currently on the tour the scariest thing on that video would be the single guy that lives in his camper and does nothing but travel around and fish.   That’s the true advantage that the young guys have over the old guys.  You can’t compete with that.  Time on the water has always been the key.  In the modern world it’s time on the water and time with the technology.

[Catt]

3 minutes ago, casts_by_fly said:

For others it might be programming or 3D printing parts. 

 

About 15 years as a Manufacturing Engineer in the Areospace Industry with Boeing, Grumman, Northrop/Grumman, Airbus, European Air Defense Systems (EADS). On a table behind my desk was a Digitizer that would make 3D programs for me. 

[Vilas15]

I just picked up a used 7" unit with a broken SD slot for cheap and thought I'm going big time since it's my 3rd screen 😄

[Troy85]

16 minutes ago, Vilas15 said:

I just picked up a used 7" unit with a broken SD slot for cheap and thought I'm going big time since it's my 3rd screen 😄

I run a Lowrance Elite 9 FS on my console.

 

BUT....Twice a year when I go and fish a deep reservoir, I will mount my old Lowrance 9" Ti to the bow of my boat, and electrical tape my extra 2D transducer to my trolling motor.  Have I hit the big times as well!??!?! 🤣

[Craig P]

41 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said:

I’m 61 years old.  If I was currently on the tour the scariest thing on that video would be the single guy that lives in his camper does nothing but travel around and fish.   That’s the true advantage that the young guys have over the old guys.  You can’t compete with that.  Time on the water has always been the key.  In the modern world it’s time on the water and time with the technology.

My wife has asked me on several occasions if I’d ever pursue that. I always say nope, it’s a young man’s game. While I’m not as experienced as you, my kids are grown and I actually have time but I’m experienced enough to know that standing on a boat deck fishing 8-10 hours a day, several days in a row, hurts!

[Vilas15]

1 hour ago, Troy85 said:

I run a Lowrance Elite 9 FS on my console.

 

BUT....Twice a year when I go and fish a deep reservoir, I will mount my old Lowrance 9" Ti to the bow of my boat, and electrical tape my extra 2D transducer to my trolling motor.  Have I hit the big times as well!??!?! 🤣

Give me a map with 1' contours and a sonar that can show me hard bottom or height of weeds and I'm pretty much good. Ive got a looong list of purchases to make, boat related or otherwise, before I upgrade my electronics any further.

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I have a flasher..........still use it. that's all I got. all I need.

[TnRiver46]

12 hours ago, Texas Flood said:

I wish more people used FFS at the lake I go to. We've been stunted with 12"-14" LMB and the board committee cant figure out what to do.

I know what to do 

12 hours ago, gimruis said:

 

Every time this is brought up, Kyoyo Fujita says "oh sh**" to himself in japanese.

That's exactly what is happening up here during the winter.  Ice anglers are decimating panfish populations with live sonar through the ice.  In response, the state of MN reduced sunfish bag limits on almost 100 lakes from 20 to 5 daily.  At least with bass anglers, most of them are released.  No such thing with ice anglers targeting panfish.  They are all meat hunters.

 

There will be more of this coming.

They actually asked Fujita that question and he said he’s not worried. He won 4 AOY titles before it was invented 

[Zcoker]

I saw Scott Martin using his during the Bass Master Open event on Okeechobee. I was amazed at how well his unit defined the shallow grass flats. The detail was almost three dimensional HD. Impressive watching those tilapia swim by. Could even see the tails swaying back and forth, the ebb and flow of the actual grass. Fishing like that may not be liked by some but but I can certainly see the appeal! Not having one in the pro tournaments would be like forgetting the fishing rods. 

[casts_by_fly]

2 hours ago, Zcoker said:

I saw Scott Martin using his during the Bass Master Open event on Okeechobee. I was amazed at how well his unit defined the shallow grass flats. The detail was almost three dimensional HD. Impressive watching those tilapia swim by. Could even see the tails swaying back and forth, the ebb and flow of the actual grass. Fishing like that may not be liked by some but but I can certainly see the appeal! Not having one in the pro tournaments would be like forgetting the fishing rods. 

 

Being able to put down double power poles like he did will clear up an image incredibly and let you tweak the setting even more than the guys already are.  Plus, he wasn't scanning back and forth while moving like the open water guys do.  He was also using landscape mode if I remember right.  It was actually a really clever way to use the technology that I hadn't seen anyone else do before.

[TLHSS]

All of this to throw a jig in a brush pile. 

[WRB]

I recall fishing in a friends boat in 2019 who just installed FFS and Live Scope. It was a brutal day for everyone until we learned how to use Live Scope discovering the bass were suspended over 100’ of water down 18’. Suspended bass are normally tough to catch but seeing those bass react to the lure was amazing and got on them really good.

Mentioned this back then stating Live Scope and FFS was a game changer and anyone pro fishing will have this.

Fast forward they not only have it they have multiples of the units.

Tom

[Susky River Rat]

@WRBits made a mockery of musky fishing 

[JediAmoeba]

1 hour ago, Susky River Rat said:

@WRBits made a mockery of musky fishing 

And ice fishing.  

[mcipinkie]

And the result of this is ??????

 

All this stuff costs a lot of money.  I think (hope) we all knew that.  It will cost more next year unless the tournament organizers do something.

 

Whether or not we should have FFS or not is another discussion.  The fact is right now it's here.  Technology is making up for years of experience.  Not sure if that's good or bad.  BTW, I have it on the Skeeter. 

 

More clickbait for the Zaldains.  Interesting, but not surprising.

[Leeboy]

On 2/27/2024 at 6:50 AM, scaleface said:

I imagine a majority of the contestants feel the same way.

I'm not sure about that. Technology is in their DNA & wheelhouse. Look how young most of the guys are that Zaldain interviewed...with the exception of Bill Lowen, Scott Martin and Ike. 

[TnRiver46]

On 2/28/2024 at 4:54 PM, WRB said:

I recall fishing in a friends boat in 2019 who just installed FFS and Live Scope. It was a brutal day for everyone until we learned how to use Live Scope discovering the bass were suspended over 100’ of water down 18’. Suspended bass are normally tough to catch but seeing those bass react to the lure was amazing and got on them really good.

Mentioned this back then stating Live Scope and FFS was a game changer and anyone pro fishing will have this.

Fast forward they not only have it they have multiples of the units.

Tom

I remember all that