snowplow Posted February 21, 2024 Posted February 21, 2024 Hey guys these are new to me. It seems most are footballish shape or so. I fish primarily large ponds or small 30ish acre lakes with natural silty bottoms and plenty of weeds. Is this a technique l should not bother with? I can get away with a Carolina rig plenty. Im hoping this would fish like a more versatile version of that. When you drag something through a slit bottom, is that a good thing (does the slit trail attract bass) or is it a bad thing (just burying your bait in the dirt)? Quote
Super User casts_by_fly Posted February 21, 2024 Super User Posted February 21, 2024 The football head shape is better for harder bottoms. On a soft bottom it will pick up algae and other stringy crap on the bottom if there is any. And weeds. A wobble head still gives the benefit of a free swinging plastic, I just wouldn’t use a football shaped head. The other similar rig you might want to try for that situation is a Tokyo rig. The weight stays down in the muck while the lure rides a bit above it. And with a skinny weight you won’t hang much junk on the bottom. 2 Quote
txchaser Posted February 22, 2024 Posted February 22, 2024 Strike king makes a pointed wobble-head that will be better in your soft bottoms because it wont bulldoze as much. https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Strike_King_Jointed_Structure_Head_2pk/descpage-SKJSH.html Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted February 22, 2024 Global Moderator Posted February 22, 2024 Are you able to fish a standard jig in the bodies of water you fish? If so, I'd be trying a swing head. Quote
RRocket Posted February 22, 2024 Posted February 22, 2024 4 hours ago, PaulVE64 said: Tokyo rig? This 2 Quote
snowplow Posted February 22, 2024 Author Posted February 22, 2024 Yep l fish jigs all the time. I never really considered a Tokyo rig. It seemed like a weird rig to me, but now I can see the benefits. Do you guys consider a football head string up a little mess on the bottom. A good thing or a bad thing? Quote
snowplow Posted February 22, 2024 Author Posted February 22, 2024 You guys have me thinking. I always consider the Tokyo rig like an alternative to the drop shot. I never considered the Tokyo rig beside a wobble head. How would you guys break down the comparison of a wobble head and a Tokyo rig? You're not going to get a lot of movement out of a drop shot, but with that swivel and o-ring maybe you do out of a Tokyo rig like a wobble head?? Quote
RRocket Posted February 23, 2024 Posted February 23, 2024 3 hours ago, snowplow said: You guys have me thinking. I always consider the Tokyo rig like an alternative to the drop shot. I never considered the Tokyo rig beside a wobble head. How would you guys break down the comparison of a wobble head and a Tokyo rig? You're not going to get a lot of movement out of a drop shot, but with that swivel and o-ring maybe you do out of a Tokyo rig like a wobble head?? If I'm not using a Free Rig, I'm using a Jika Rig Jika is known as a "leaderless dropshot" and the action is very, very good due to the free moving hook. With a pencil weight it stays up off the bottom but not to the degree of a Tokyo. I prefer the Jika, as I think it's less fussy and far more versatile. Quote
Super User casts_by_fly Posted February 23, 2024 Super User Posted February 23, 2024 4 hours ago, snowplow said: You guys have me thinking. I always consider the Tokyo rig like an alternative to the drop shot. I never considered the Tokyo rig beside a wobble head. How would you guys break down the comparison of a wobble head and a Tokyo rig? You're not going to get a lot of movement out of a drop shot, but with that swivel and o-ring maybe you do out of a Tokyo rig like a wobble head?? horses for courses. I’m pretty sure the wobble head was designed to run through hard bottom rock areas and bounce off rocks, producing the wobble. The swivel connection allows the bait to move more freely than a football head jig fished the same way. With a Tokyo rig, you lose the wobble head action, keep the free swinging bait, and put a little gap between your bait and the bottom. The weight isn’t imparting any action into the bait like a wobble head so that’s up to you. if I have a clean bottom I like a wobble head. If there is junk on the bottom (silt, leaves, algae, etc) then a Tokyo or Texas rig will come through it cleaner. Quote
snowplow Posted February 23, 2024 Author Posted February 23, 2024 Ahh that's what l was wondering. If a Tokyo or Jika also 'wobbled' the bait. So a Tokyo, Jika, and Free Rig seem so similar. I know they are different but are they really meaningfully different like you would switch from one to the other? It seem like if you free rigged with a Tokyo weight (the wire with the weight) you would have best of all worlds. The nice fall of a free rig and when it got reeled up a Tokyo. Quote
Super User slonezp Posted February 24, 2024 Super User Posted February 24, 2024 On 2/21/2024 at 9:00 PM, txchaser said: Strike king makes a pointed wobble-head that will be better in your soft bottoms because it wont bulldoze as much. https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Strike_King_Jointed_Structure_Head_2pk/descpage-SKJSH.html Fantastic jig paired with a creature bait. Great hook up rate. My only issue with this set up, is a good % of the bass I catch with these, the hook drives thru the fishes eye on the hookset. 21 hours ago, RRocket said: If I'm not using a Free Rig, I'm using a Jika Rig Jika is known as a "leaderless dropshot" and the action is very, very good due to the free moving hook. With a pencil weight it stays up off the bottom but not to the degree of a Tokyo. I prefer the Jika, as I think it's less fussy and far more versatile. This was a go to for me until I discovered the jointed structure head. Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 24, 2024 Super User Posted February 24, 2024 Tommy Biifle started the swing jig crazy with his signature Biffle Bug. Today TW offers a category for swing jigs with every shape imaginable. Stirring up mud may or may attract bass but debris fouling the jig head isn’t a positive attractor. The advantage is using optional hook size and style on swing jigs with removable hooks. Tom Quote
RRocket Posted February 24, 2024 Posted February 24, 2024 1 hour ago, slonezp said: . This was a go to for me until I discovered the jointed structure head. That head shape reminds a bit of the Z-man Texas EyeZ. Quote
Super User casts_by_fly Posted February 24, 2024 Super User Posted February 24, 2024 3 hours ago, snowplow said: Ahh that's what l was wondering. If a Tokyo or Jika also 'wobbled' the bait. So a Tokyo, Jika, and Free Rig seem so similar. I know they are different but are they really meaningfully different like you would switch from one to the other? It seem like if you free rigged with a Tokyo weight (the wire with the weight) you would have best of all worlds. The nice fall of a free rig and when it got reeled up a Tokyo. a free rig already keeps the lure above the bottom. Most of the time a bait is in the water for a free rig it is slowly falling to the bottom. So the distancing of the wire from a Tokyo rig isn’t a benefit really. Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 24, 2024 Super User Posted February 24, 2024 Haven't tried a wobble/swing jig. Fished with partners who use it and can see a difference but I still catch mote bass then they do using my own jig. If a bottom is gunky then use a lighter weight jig or a drop rig. Mucky bottoms a wacky rigged weightless Senko in hard to beat. Tom Quote
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