Centrifugal braking system

[Jerry Fry]

I cannot believe Abu Garcia is now using centrifugal brakes in their reals. I have found that the magnetic brakes work just fine and when you wet wade and you're in the water and slip up and get the real submerged I found with a centrifugal braking system like a Shimano corrado it takes many many casts to shake out all the water to keep from backlashing to cast right again. I guess if you don't wet wade and submerge the real once in a while there's no problem with a centrifugal braking system but the magnetic braking system for me has always worked just fine

[12poundbass]

Welcome to Bassresource. Centrifugal brakes on Abu reels are nothing new. 

[FrnkNsteen]

5 hours ago, 12poundbass said:

Welcome to Bassresource. Centrifugal brakes on Abu reels are nothing new. 

 

Agreed. My Revo S reels (Gen 3) are centrifugal only and the same generation of STX have both magnetic and centrifugal.

[WRB]

Garcia ABU Ambassador reels in the 50’s to current reel have always had centrifugal brakes.

Tom

[bulldog1935]

You shouldn't really need centrifugal braking until casting weights over 1/2 oz, and without jerk in your cast.  (Ambassadeur needs it because the spool weighs over 1 oz).  

My favorite deep-spool LP baitcaster is my Lew's Super Duty G, with full-flange spool and linear mag brake.  It's been a long term workhorse for me, and I like it enough to grab a 2nd Super Duty G on closeout.  Only real difference between current Super Duty 2nd Gen and my reels is the P2 pinion bushing, which you don't really need if you don't wind the reel with the spool removed.  

This reel has always surprised me with its ability to cast 1/8 oz, which is go-to weight for my BFS-mod Daiwas.  

Note, Super Duty GX3 has centrifugal brake, and Super Duty 300 is dual brake.  

I'd suspect Abu Revo offers a range of braking systems in their reel lines, also.  

  

Like you, this is the configuration I prefer, maybe not for the same reasons.  

I gave away my Custom Inshore with dual brake, and sold my two centrifugal brake Lew's, because in my niches, they didn't cast with Super Duty linear mag brake.  

The fastest reel I've ever cast is my ZPI Alcance, which I always call Revo on steroids.  

 

May not be the best ever introduction to the forum, but I'll never understand why people choose to post contrary comments or off-topic information, especially when the OPs context is clear.  

[Woody B]

The first real reel I bought was an Ambassador 5000.  I was 12.  Before that I had used my Dad's pushbutton reels.  I learned to cast it with the small weights.  My current favorite reels are Shimano SLX XT's.   I normally use them with one brake clicked on, and the other 3 off.   For heavy stuff I'll click a second brake on.   I had been using a Daiwa Zillion for skipping.  Their aggressive brakes are really good for skipping, but I have a habit of keeping my index finger under the for "feel".  This lifts the line up and causes uneven spooling with the "wing system".   I recently tried a SLX XT for skipping with all 4 brakes on and really like it.  

 

If you accidently dunk a reel with centrifugal brakes pop the cover off and spray them with WD40.  

[dodgeguy]

I'll take a good externally adjustable centrifugal over a  magnetic system anytime 

[Mike L]

4 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

I'll take a good externally adjustable centrifugal over a  magnetic system anytime 

Ditto

 

I won’t own a magnetic only braking reel. 
I guess you can say a dual system is the best of both worlds, but a centrifugal only system is the minimum. 
 

There is no advantage to using Magnetic of any kind as it’s designed to help at the end of cast, but that’s what a properly trained thumb is for as it gives the control directly to me. 
Not only in braking but in greater accuracy of the distance and placement of whatever I’m throwing 

 

 

 

 

Mike

[FrnkNsteen]

3 hours ago, Mike L said:

Ditto

 

I won’t own a magnetic only braking reel. 
I guess you can say a dual system is the best of both worlds, but a centrifugal only system is the minimum. 
 

There is no advantage to using Magnetic of any kind as it’s designed to help at the end of cast, but that’s what a properly trained the thumb is for as it gives the control directly to me. 
Not only in braking but in greater accuracy of the distance and placement of whatever I’m throwing 

 

 

 

 

Mike

Well,.. While I agree with the dual breaking being convenient in having both options,.... The Daiwa Magforce braking system is a true hybrid that is centrifugal AND magnetic and has the benefits of both in one easy to adjust dial.

 

I know some will say the straight centrifugal cast further and are more free casting,... But in my experience, I rarely find myself wishing I could cast further. Typically i can loosen up the brakes to get reasonable enough casts with either.

[WRB]

You can turn off both mag and centrifugal breaking systems if you want free spinning spools. 

Daiwa’s technology has a patent and soon will time out, then you will see this system in more reels because it works.

Casting into the wind isn’t for everyone without braking.

Tom

[Mike L]

I don’t want to derail the OP’s intent of this thread, but I really see no advantage at all to having magnetic braking only. 
 

Yeah it does what it’s intended only if you make the perfect distance cast hitting the exact spot you want. 
If there is any deviation during flight and/or your motion, you’re gonna use your thumb anyway but only to correct distance. 
 

I would rather have control of the entire casting sequence in my hand. 
 

But Thats just me

 

 

 

 

Mike

[dodgeguy]

Prefer centrifugal only. Externally adjustable is the best in my humble opinion.it gives you the highest variation of settings. I find it next to impossible to backlash.

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, FrnkNsteen said:

The Daiwa Magforce braking system is a true hybrid that is centrifugal AND magnetic and has the benefits of both in one easy to adjust dial.

With all due respect, not really. The inductor's movement into the magnetic gap is influenced by centrifugal forces, but friction isn't a component of MagZ/SV/MagZ boost whatsoever. These Daiwa types are mechanically calibrated active mag brakes, and that's all.

[FrnkNsteen]

1 hour ago, PhishLI said:

With all due respect, not really. The inductor's movement into the magnetic gap is influenced by centrifugal forces, but friction isn't a component of MagZ/SV/MagZ boost whatsoever. These Daiwa types are mechanically calibrated active mag brakes, and that's all.

True,... There is no actual friction in the Daiwa system like other centrifugal brake systems. My point was just that they apply more braking at the beginning cast like a centrifugal brake, then back off again as the spool slows down where the normal braking works for the rest of the cast. The main difference I see is you can't adjust the centrifugal effect without swapping out the inductor springs, but I have heard of people who do just that to get the brakes working exactly how they like.

 

As for why someone would want magnetic braking only,... The only reason I could think of is when pitching or making light casts where the rod isn't fully loading and the spool doesn't achieve high enough RPMs for the centrifugal brakes to kick in.

 

Mag brakes are on all through the cast so they help even at slow spool speeds.